Captain's Quarters -

Hillary Clinton and competence. Sounds like an oxymoron. As for Bill, he showed his competence with a cigar.

Obama has about as much chance of 'taking out Hilary' as I have walking to the moon before noon today.

Hilary will be the Dem nominee, without any question whatsoever - and I think everyone knows it as well as I do.

So, why all the sound and fury? Oh... just to make it look 'fair,' I'd say... while the Obamas angle for better pickin's.

When you know damned well none of the other candidates ~really~ believe they have a shot, they have to be doing it for other reasons - like perhaps a shot at a run after Hilary. Or a shot at being chosen as VP, or a Cabinet level job.

If Hillary does win the nomination and the Presidency, I wonder to what extent it will be because people think they are really voting for Bill, that this will be a novel way of getting around the 22nd Amendment.

I read so often in the media about Clinton nostalgia, how wonderful everyone thought the 90s were, when Bill was President, everyone loved us and all was right in the world. So perhaps electing Hillary will give us a chance to return to those glory days. Hillary will be the president in name only and Bill will really be running the show. Perhaps this is what many will think...and, unfortunately, hope for.

In my eyes it simply seems that Hillary just does not like being around people. She projects it because she has to. But, unlike Bill, I really don't think she likes people. I could be wrong since my only impressions are through the media but it is that essence that turns me off to her right from the start.

I am not sure who Hillary's base is. Obviously the right wing wackos have it in for her, and the far left never supports her in poll after poll after poll ... her strength must come from moderate dems.

The only way Hillary could win is for the laws to change and allow GWB to run again ...

i, like many others here, have stated years ago that hillary will be the nominee. whether she deserves it is irrelevant. there are tens of billions of dollars behind her--not in campaign funds--but in the realignment of at least 15% of our economy. specifically healthcare--supposedly "free" national healthcare and the new welfare world that will surround it. every single urban interest group will support the get out the vote armies with such huge dollars at stake. healthcare is just one of the many changes in store.

make no mistake about this critical juncture for socialism in this country. the miracle will be if a repub could win, what with the dogs that the clinton's will release on them.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened"

Norman Thomas, 1936 presidential candidate on the Socialist ticket

Lord Alexander Tytler on the fall of the Athenian republic: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

Captain said: The Bush administration's recent troubles have created a competence issue, one that the Democrats exploited to some extent in 2006 and on which they hope to expand in 2008. The continuing saga at Justice has made that easy for the Democrats, and we still have nineteen months to go.

This is why I believe the best hope for the GOP in 2008 is to begin separating itself now from the disaster that is Dub Yuh.

I find it amazing that the term 'competence' is being used by anyone to describe Hillary Clinton because normally using that label then requires that person to provide at least some examples that warrant that description.

And in this case, there are no examples to be found...

She has no executive experience in the public or private sector managing organizations of any size (being a partner in a law firm like thousands and thousands of other people doesn't count in my view), and she has no significant accomplishments (and one historic failure) to point to as First Lady or as a senator from New York.

The fact is that this woman is able to be running for President solely because of her husband and the 8 years of living in the White House based upon the victories her husband acheived.

I don't think there is any question that if there was a woman named Hillary Smith with the exact same record/career as Hillary Clinton less the time as First Lady there would be absolutely no chance for this hypothetical Hillary to make a serious run for the presidency.

I think Richardson would be a formidable candidate. He might even be a tolerable president (from my perspective on the Right).

This is why I believe the best hope for the GOP in 2008 is to begin separating itself now from the disaster that is Dub Yuh.

Don't worry ... the same right wing lockstepers who have supported this disaster of a Presidency will all come together in mass to denounce this President and blame him for all the woes of the GOP and they will now right the ship in all that is wrong with conservatism and return to their core values. Of course to do that one would think the GOP would have to select Brownback or Thompson (and he ain't running) as their nominee, but they will instead opt for Rudy who is liberal on everything except a war which will be winding down or if not by 2008 the GOP will be in real deep crap if they have to defend an ongoing war with a pro-war candidate. Mark it down.

I repeat GWB is the best democrat the democratic party has ever known!

Ms. Rodham is not just incompetent but insane, if she thinks she has what it takes to re-engineer health care.

She knows nothing about the delivery of health care and neither do her battalions of lickspittles.

Think of health care delivered by the Dept. of Motor Vehicles. That's what we'll be reduced to if Nurse Wretched becomes President. You'll have to wait eight weeks to get a band-aid out of some surly, overpaid, unionized bureaucrat.

How about Lawyer Rodham present a plan to overhaul what passes for our legal (lottery) system? Or does the fact that our legal (lottery) system, disproportionately favors Democrats cloud her (lack of) judgement regarding the matter?

[Nixon] didn't have any charm -- but he was smart, shrewd, highly political, hard working and ruthless.

Nixon was linked, in the eyes of voters, to Eisenhower -a charismatic, popular 2-term president. Bill Clinton certainly has charisma but he was also impeached by the House. Voters may not be as eager to return to the days of Bill as we're told they are. And Hillary goes into this election lacking Nixon's VP experience. It's not a good comparison but the press needs to write about something.

I actually agree with something Monkei said (egads):

The only way Hillary could win is for the laws to change and allow GWB to run again ...

I'm tellin' youz - Americans will have spent 8 years listening to an inarticulate (smart) man bumble his way through question and answer sessions. Dems and repubs. alike are looking for a change. Hillary looks like a rusty robot in need of some wd-40 but I'm told I'll be voting for her because of all the money she raised. Mm-kay.

Monkei said:

"I am not sure who Hillary's base is. Obviously the right wing wackos have it in for her, and the far left never supports her in poll after poll after poll ... her strength must come from moderate dems."

Actually, her strength comes from single females. Who will come out in droves to vote for her.

"her strength comes from single females. Who will come out in droves to vote for her."

And who are usually too ditzy, distracted and uninterested in politics to vote in anything resembling a drove.

Meanwhile, married females actually do vote in droves, and oppose Ms. Rodham by a wide margin.

Don't be surprised to see whomever wins the nomination for the dems to pick Richardson as their running mate. He would help almost anyone and puts Nevada, Arizona, NM, CO and Florida in play.

I think your figures are wrong NoDonkey only how women vote. Hillary got 73% in her last race in NY ... you do the math. Either the married females stayed home on election day in NY, or the married women actually also voted for Hillary in droves.

I still say her support is from moderates (not me) as she is not the darling of the far left or the far right.

Ms. Rodham got 73% of the vote against a terrible candidate (Rick Lazio) and she received fawning support from the NY media in a overwhelmingly Democrat state. NY is not at all reflective of America.

She will not be running against a terrible candidate this time, but of course she will of course have a fawning media, once again, who will do everything possible to paper over her shameless pandering to the Democrat's lunatic left base and to all of the scandals in her past.

Richardson would be a good running mate, I do agree about that. He's actually accomplished something in his political life, which is more than Ms. Rodham can say.

Fifty-six percent of men said that they would not vote for Clinton, while 45 percent of women said that she would not be their pick. In addition, 69 percent of those 62 and older said that they would not vote for Clinton.

Nearly half of the respondents said that they dislike Clinton’s political opinions and Clinton as a person. Fifty-two percent of people also said that “she does not appear to connect with people on a personal level.”

I think Al Gore had a better chance in 2000 than Hillary will have in 2008. Hillary has a weaker resume than Gore did in 2000 yet she has the same personality handicap as he does. Maybe Hillary has the support of younger female voters but she doesn't fare particularly well with older voters. And Gore's loss in 2000 was against a republican opponent who seems weak relative to the current republicans running.

Hillary's gonna need a lot of young female voters in 2008.

The Captain, as well as an increasing number of others, keeps hitting on this meme of Obama not having any policy or substance. Question is, as compared to what? I mean good luck trying to figure out one iota of policy direction Giuliani has laid out. And it's hard to tell what exactly to expect from Romney and McCain when they seem to pivot on their stances at every turn.So why is it nothing is ever said about them coming up empty when pressed for policy specifics?

The whole "be afraid of Hillary" thing being promoted by Republican pundits seems to be a bit disingenuous. If there's one candidate in the field that you'd think they could gin up the base to beat it would be her. I mean after all whacking the Clinton's worked like a charm to help the GOP gain control of congress and then later have an 8 year monopoly on Washington. Seems to me that Blankley and others either a. are playing Br'er Rabbit and hoping liberal voters will fall into the trap view her as the "most electable" candidate a la Kerry thinking they could take her out in the general election, or b. they fear that the tide has turned so far that no GOP candidate in 08 is gonna have a chance therefore it's necessary to try and take her out since they loath her to the core.

Hillary also has some base issues. Not as bad as McCain, but they're certainly there. That being said, she has a massive stockpile of campaign funds she's sitting on, which can not be discounted. And the notion that anyone (Richardson, Clark, etc.) other than Gore could jump in the race at a later date and be a player with the money disadvantage they would be at it just foolish. That's why Obama has Hillary (and it appears the Captain, Blankley, etc.) scared. Not only has he been raising money at prodigious rates, but he has a massive grassroots movement building. This is something that would, understandably, elude most Republican supporters or pundits (the same way most liberals couldn't accurately gauge the level of support for say Thompson or Hunter) but it's no joke. Nobody in the race on either side right now is able to draw the numbers he's currently getting in volunteers and attendees for events. There's still a long way to go, but I have a feeling some on the right are starting to feel the heat these two (Clinton, Obama) are building. It would explain a lot considering the recent interest conservative pundits have shown in the opposition party's race.

Nixon wasn't known for his charm, but his campaign in 1968 was pretty much of a "charm offensive" wrapped up in his resume. It was the "New Nixon" running, not the "old," you will recall - "tanned, rested, and ready!" The town hall meetings, the made-for-TV encounters with young people, the Laugh-In appearance ("Sock it to ME?") all worked to redefine his image from the old Cold Warrior with the 5 o'clock shadow.

Hillary is too unrepentant to be repackaged. She is what she is. She's the #2 fundraising headliner for the Democrats (after Bill), but the #1 fundraiser for Republicans and conservative groups without even appearing - all it takes is her name prominently mentioned in fundraising appeals to increase the response rate and the average donation.

She should get SOME "experience" credit, though, after spending 12 years in Arkansas and 8 in DC sticking her nose into every nook and cranny of government business.

FORGET Edwards as Veep, though. Attractive or not, he turned in a lame performance in the role in 2004, and brings nothing to the table. Obama might bring some likability and excitement, while Richardson could sew up New Mexico and help a great deal with the Hispanic vote.

Richardson probably represents her best chance to turn any red states blue, but her negatives are still high enough to turn some of the light blue states in the midwest/Great Lakes region red.

You mention the ethical/competence questions from her past. I don't think that the media will give them enough play to make them significant factors.

Meant to include:
If ethics wasn't a significant issue in Bill's second successful campaign, I don't see how it will be in Hillary's, 12 years later.

NoDonkey said:

""And who are usually too ditzy, distracted and uninterested in politics to vote in anything resembling a drove. "

Unfortunately, you just described the viewership deomographic of "The View" to a T. The problem is that Hillary is the first-ever "serious" female candidate for President in American history. We don't have past results to predict from.

In 2000, only 19 million single women voted. By 2004, that number had swelled to 27 million. Hillary doesn't need them all-after all, Gore came within 500 or so total votes of beating Bush in 2000, and Jean Carry came within several thousand votes in Ohio of beating Bush in 2004.

Bill Richardson would be my first choice. No democrats I know like Hillary, so why are the rightwingers so rabid about defeating her? Is it just a personal thing? Maybe if Hillary could organize single women she could win. I read that in 2004, 20 million single women DID NOT vote. Thats a powerful voting bloc. If there really is a BDS then there also a CDS(Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Wouldn't voting for Rudy be the SAME thing as voting for a democrat? Rudy vs Hillary, that would be something to see.

Rudy vs Hillary would be a great race ... aside from liking to dress up like a woman, Rudy's history with women and when it's brought to everyone's attention simply won't help him with that gender. I can't see women flocking to the polls to pull the lever for Rudy. Heck I can't even see conservatives flocking to the polls just to vote for Rudy, I can see them flocking to the polls simply to vote against Hillary though.

I could care less which one of them get elected, they are both the same person. Throw out the war, which will end sooner or later and it had better before Nov 2008 or Rudy stands no choice as a pro war candidate, and you have the same candidate.

Rudy is a win win for democrats, his views are more to their liking with his historically liberal past views.

It just hit me!

Many people have mentioned Bill Clinton's 'influence' on Hillary as President, i.e. Two 4 One....

For those of us that truly fear a win by Hillary in the general election of 2008...ask yourself this, "Do you think Hillary REALLY ever got back at Bill completely for the Monica affair?"

So, imagine for a moment, she's in as Prez and now, it's time for a little revenge. First thing she does is nominate a staunch conservative Pro-Lifer to the Supreme Court to replace Ginsberg (who was declared mentally void) - Bill comes flying into the oval office , (picture a vein pertruding from his forehead), screaming "What the H did you do with that nomination??? What are you thinking of ??!!!!"

And Hillary leans back in her chair, puts her feet up on the desk, holds up a picture of Fred Thompson with the title printed under his photo, "My New Secretary of State"....a wry smile comes over her face and she hoists a Perfecto with her left hand and says, "Cigar?"

And then I woke up. : )

Want to know who Hillary's base is? Don't think the press will give her past enough coverage to matter?

Her base?

Here's a sample that has been included in the press and a multi-plaintiff complaint fled against International Profit Associates that WILL call Hillary and Bill to testify when it goes to court. You can read the entire complaint here (stay close to the bathroom, this company's scam will make you puke):
http://www.ipaclient.com/pdf/IPA%20RICO%20Complaint%20with%20FILING.pdf

Here's what I have sent to countless blogs to spread the word:

Dear Blog Owner:

Want more, in a condensed version, of the truth about Hillary? The truth of the Clinton Mafia is scary and must not be swept under the carpet.

God forbid she gets into office - besides having to listen to that awful shrill for 4 years - it scares me what will happen to this nation.

On the top of her agenda will be providing whatever favors she promised all those sleezy donors. She has no choice cause if she doesn't, they will sell her out in a heartbeat. At least those who are not afraid they may too become a Vince Foster.

Hillary, Bill, and so many of her donors can be called louses. Love that word. Says a lot - louse meaning scoundrel, rat, good-for-nothing, parasite, rascal, rogue, crook, villain - without using unprintable profanity.

One of her donors, $150,000 worth, is John Burgess and International Profit Associates. Let me give you some links on this louse:

Hillary Clinton In The News Hillary Clinton - Wiki: Hillary Clinton Donor Money: Two Multi-Million Dollar RICO Suits Filed Against Int’l Profit Assoc. by Kathy Miller, 03/16/07 ...
www.hillaryproject.com/.../hillary_clinton_donor_money_two_multi_million_dollar_rico_suits_filed_again/ - 30k - Mar 18, 2007 -

http://www.ipaclient.com This site is by a courageous former IPA client. John Burgess tried to bring his site down but has not succeeded. Also there you can read the full complaint recently filed by over 20 former clients who want justice for the American Small Business Owners. It is directly at: http://www.ipaclient.com/pdf/IPA%20RICO%20Complaint%20with%20FILING.pdf

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20000601/19115_test.html This is the story written in the Inc. magazine in 2000, now has OVER 600 posts to it and is the LARGEST blog on INC.com.

http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/stories/2007/02/26/daily43.html Lawsuit in Albany NY filed February 2007

http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2002/07/08/story6.html Lawsuit in Raleigh-Durham filed in 2002. IPA literally put this guy out of business.

And these are just a FEW of the lawsuits filed against IPA. If you have access to court filings across the nation, take a look, you will see hundreds.

http://www.oprah.com/tows/slide/200509/20050930/slide_20050930_350_108.jhtml
http://www.oprah.com/tows/slide/200509/20050930/slide_20050930_350_109.jhtml

These two links are to the Oprah show where she interviewed two of the over 100 (actually it was over 160 to begin with but John got it down to about 116) women who filed a sexual harrassment suit. John Burgess continues to stall this case.

At Townhall.com - March 18, 2007 - is :

http://gabriellecusumano.townhall.com/Default.aspx?mode=post&g=067d834c-b161-43d1-b801-5162e4a795bd

This scam is real and dangerous to all Small Business Owners all over the United States. Doing the simple math, since they have been in business since 1991, IPA has scammed over 1.5 BILLION dollars from small business owners.

Read all the info posted on the ipaclient.com site. Yet John Burgess has managed to buy off those who threaten him, possibly even political figures and those in our legal system. Rumors abound regarding why the Illinois Attorney General's office has not already shut them down.

This multi-plaintiff lawsuit filed last week is extremely detailed regarding the inner workings of this company and, with God's help, John will have an impossible time with this one.

Yet, you and I know how it works - this kind of story catches the public eye for a little while, then all is forgotten. The only way to have a truly positive outcome for the small business owners is to keep this company, International Profit Associates, John Burgess, and their corruption in the public eye OVER and OVER and OVER until the name and story are deeply imbedded in the minds of every small business owner across this nation.

I ask that you follow this multi-plaintiff complaint, as well as the one in Albany, NY and report the activity in you blog.

Please give consideration to this very critical issue. We in the small business community have a war here at home, too.

And more links:

From the LA Times - March 3, 2007

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-hillpac3mar03,0,4060201,full.story?coll=la-home-nation

And from the WorldNetDaily - March 29, 2006 showing what a louse Hillary is. (Louse is defined as

scoundrel, rat, good-for-nothing, parasite, rascal, rogue, crook, villain

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49478

Read the stories, the profiles of these people, and Hillary. You decide. Would you do business with John Burgess of International Profit Associates, Abdul Rehman Jinnah from Pakistan, or Willie Tan the Sweatshop Tycoon from Saipan? Do you think any of those folks (leopards) will change their spots? Couldn't if they tried.

And then there is Hillary - smack dab in the middle of them. And this person, who cannot separate herself from the louses wants to be our President? There are more stories on the internet and newspapers, these are just a few.

A leopard never changes his spots.

As for the press not covering her past enough to do any good? Well, each of you is well connected to a number of blogs. Consider it YOUR responsibility to keep the stories on top of your blogs.

The press DOES watch the blogs so it has to help keep the American public aware of what they will be getting if they get Hillary.

Sincerely,

Still Seeking Truth

Want to know who Hillary's base is? Don't think the press will give her past enough coverage to matter?

Her base?

Here's a sample that has been included in the press and a multi-plaintiff complaint fled against International Profit Associates that WILL call Hillary and Bill to testify when it goes to court. You can read the entire complaint here (stay close to the bathroom, this company's scam will make you puke):
http://www.ipaclient.com/pdf/IPA%20RICO%20Complaint%20with%20FILING.pdf

Here's what I have sent to countless blogs to spread the word:

Dear Blog Owner:

Want more, in a condensed version, of the truth about Hillary? The truth of the Clinton Mafia is scary and must not be swept under the carpet.

God forbid she gets into office - besides having to listen to that awful shrill for 4 years - it scares me what will happen to this nation.

On the top of her agenda will be providing whatever favors she promised all those sleezy donors. She has no choice cause if she doesn't, they will sell her out in a heartbeat. At least those who are not afraid they may too become a Vince Foster.

Hillary, Bill, and so many of her donors can be called louses. Love that word. Says a lot - louse meaning scoundrel, rat, good-for-nothing, parasite, rascal, rogue, crook, villain - without using unprintable profanity.

One of her donors, $150,000 worth, is John Burgess and International Profit Associates. Let me give you some links on this louse:

Hillary Clinton In The News Hillary Clinton - Wiki: Hillary Clinton Donor Money: Two Multi-Million Dollar RICO Suits Filed Against Int’l Profit Assoc. by Kathy Miller, 03/16/07 ...
www.hillaryproject.com/.../hillary_clinton_donor_money_two_multi_million_dollar_rico_suits_filed_again/ - 30k - Mar 18, 2007 -

http://www.ipaclient.com This site is by a courageous former IPA client. John Burgess tried to bring his site down but has not succeeded. Also there you can read the full complaint recently filed by over 20 former clients who want justice for the American Small Business Owners. It is directly at: http://www.ipaclient.com/pdf/IPA%20RICO%20Complaint%20with%20FILING.pdf

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20000601/19115_test.html This is the story written in the Inc. magazine in 2000, now has OVER 600 posts to it and is the LARGEST blog on INC.com.

http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/stories/2007/02/26/daily43.html Lawsuit in Albany NY filed February 2007

http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2002/07/08/story6.html Lawsuit in Raleigh-Durham filed in 2002. IPA literally put this guy out of business.

And these are just a FEW of the lawsuits filed against IPA. If you have access to court filings across the nation, take a look, you will see hundreds.

http://www.oprah.com/tows/slide/200509/20050930/slide_20050930_350_108.jhtml http://www.oprah.com/tows/slide/200509/20050930/slide_20050930_350_109.jhtml

These two links are to the Oprah show where she interviewed two of the over 100 (actually it was over 160 to begin with but John got it down to about 116) women who filed a sexual harrassment suit. John Burgess continues to stall this case.

At Townhall.com - March 18, 2007 - is :

http://gabriellecusumano.townhall.com/Default.aspx?mode=post&g=067d834c-b161-43d1-b801-5162e4a795bd

This scam is real and dangerous to all Small Business Owners all over the United States. Doing the simple math, since they have been in business since 1991, IPA has scammed over 1.5 BILLION dollars from small business owners.

Read all the info posted on the ipaclient.com site. Yet John Burgess has managed to buy off those who threaten him, possibly even political figures and those in our legal system. Rumors abound regarding why the Illinois Attorney General's office has not already shut them down.

This multi-plaintiff lawsuit filed last week is extremely detailed regarding the inner workings of this company and, with God's help, John will have an impossible time with this one.

Yet, you and I know how it works - this kind of story catches the public eye for a little while, then all is forgotten. The only way to have a truly positive outcome for the small business owners is to keep this company, International Profit Associates, John Burgess, and their corruption in the public eye OVER and OVER and OVER until the name and story are deeply imbedded in the minds of every small business owner across this nation.

I ask that you follow this multi-plaintiff complaint, as well as the one in Albany, NY and report the activity in you blog.

Please give consideration to this very critical issue. We in the small business community have a war here at home, too.

And more links:

From the LA Times - March 3, 2007

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-hillpac3mar03,0,4060201,full.story?coll=la-home-nation

And from the WorldNetDaily - March 29, 2006 showing what a louse Hillary is. (Louse is defined as scoundrel, rat, good-for-nothing, parasite, rascal, rogue, crook, villain

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49478

Read the stories, the profiles of these people, and Hillary. You decide. Would you do business with John Burgess of International Profit Associates, Abdul Rehman Jinnah from Pakistan, or Willie Tan the Sweatshop Tycoon from Saipan? Do you think any of those folks (leopards) will change their spots? Couldn't if they tried.

And then there is Hillary - smack dab in the middle of them. And this person, who cannot separate herself from the louses wants to be our President? There are more stories on the internet and newspapers, these are just a few.

A leopard never changes his spots.

As for the press not covering her past enough to do any good? Well, each of you is well connected to a number of blogs. Consider it YOUR responsibility to keep the stories on top of your blogs.

The press DOES watch the blogs so it has to help keep the American public aware of what they will be getting if they get Hillary.

Sincerely,

Still Seeking Truth