Captain's Quarters -

Good!!

Now we need to keep the pressure up for enforcement first, only.

I wasn't liveblogging it but I saw Major Garrett announce prior to the vote that it was dead. That's what I reported here. Also, I reported that one of McCain's county chairs resigned in South Carolina. Consider this the end of McCain's presidential campaign.

Now lets see the names so we know who has to go down in infamy - we'll see if America still has a voice next election. There is NOTHING more important than this.

Harry needs to learn how to herd his cats better. LOL

Now lets see the names so we know who has to go down in infamy - we'll see if America still has a voice next election. There is NOTHING more important than this.

Harry, I agree. Small groups (or oligarchs like Kennedy and Specter) and "grand bargain" committees "shouldn't dictate what goes on around here".

Harry, you work for us. You don't tell us what is good for us. Remember that. Our Founding Fathers would approve of your following their framework for the United States.

Re: Chuck at June 7, 2007 7:50 PM

"Enforcement first" requires a "conservative majority first." If you don't have the majority, you don't get any stand-alone border enforcement legislation. You get zip. Hope you enjoy it.

And for the 100th time, the current laws let bad employers hide behind a big loophole. You have put a system in place that MAKES employers authenticate a forge-proof document. To do that, you need new legislation that sets up a new system. Not the same old garbage we live with today.

Thanks to all American patriots, a good victory!

But the fight for our sovereignty is not over. Great to hear Duncan Hunter on H&C a few minutes ago say that along with THE FENCE, Mexico needs to address it's problems instead of just exporting it's people to our country.

Get that Jorge, Jeb and Karl?

We don't need a new bill. We need the laws enforced that are on the books now.

This "the public is demanding new legislation" meme is false, and only an excuse for another run. The public is demanding the law be enforced, including building the fence, securing the border, and penalizing employers illegally hiring. That's what is being demanded.

I just added the happy news to my 2006.06.07 "No Illegal Left Behind" Roundup. Been tracking the situation all day and had a post half written saying "I haven't been so disgusted since 11/8." Of course Dirty Harry's already backed away from his promise to table the bill for the year if it didn't pass this week.  

DaMav, the only way that's going to happen is with a new President; the right new president. No way it will happen under Rudy or McCain, and I'm not so sure about Mitt. I'm with Fred! Won't you join me?

If we want enforcement first then get rid of Bush. He is hurting the base and hurting the prospects of Republican in 08.

Let's get a true conservative in 08. Dump both Reid and Bush.

Nice job Ed. The Town Hall meetup at Park Tavern in St.Louis park just north of hwy 7 on Loiusiana goes til 9. anti-strib.com has a link. I'll be at WA Frost/Fern's/Costello's Moscow on the Hill myself. Thanks for the good news. Celebrate! Maybe it's the end of politicians using this issue for it's emotional value alone.

Two weeks for a revolutionary bill that never officially was vetted by Committee.

Well, I'm relieved, but my guard isn't down. I just called my two senators via the "amnesty" line, in order to express my ongoing concern that this Bill not come back until the border is secure. Both voice-mailboxes were full. I think Kyl and Lott should be thanked and encouraged, even though they were for it most the time. Also the Dems should be encouraged: Baucus, Bingaman, Boxer, Byrd, Dorgan, Landrieu, McCaskill, Pryor, Rockefeller, Tester, Webb. Of course many of these, like Boxer, voted nay for completely different reasons, they still made the right vote.

Captain Ed wrote: Maybe now, Congress will do something serious.

Like the "No Confidence" vote on AG Gonzalez that Ried promised would be the next order of business after the amnesty bill? Despite the fact that a "No Confidence" vote is yet another corny political stunt devoid of any Constitutional authority?

According to the latest Fox News poll, Congress's approval rating is down to 29%. That will drive the Kool-Aid Krowd crazy with denial! The only thing Congress is serious about is driving its approval ratings into single digits.

I'm sorry, was Bush running for president again in '08?

Re: RG at June 7, 2007 8:23 PM

RG wrote: "Thanks to all American patriots, a good victory!"

Only patriots won tonight? Gee, I thought I was a patriot too.

This is a good day for Conservatism... Without us, this bill would have been slammed through, aided by a very willing media and a bunch of horribly misguided Republicans (including our President).

I also thank all Democrats, Moderates, and Independents who spoke out for their country and did not allow outside influences to alter what their hearts were telling them. This was a "very bad" bill, written behind closed doors by some very misguided people.

This is a great victory for all of us; now we must maintain our energy and force these politicians to take real measures to secure our borders first, and then bring us real reform that will not harm Americans while securing our infrastructure systems... Our politicians must be forced to remember that they work for us, and they must listen to us.

One things for sure; if illegals can't find work because our laws are finally getting enforced, most of the illegals will return to their home country. Employers must face very serious consequences for hiring illegals.

English is the language of Americans; immigrants must speak our language. The "chain migration" bullshit must be flushed down the sewer. Coming to America and becoming an American citizen must be viewed as a "privilege" and an "honor". We owe Mexicans NOTHING; absolutely NOTHING!! California is a State located on AMERICAN SOIL, get over it. There was a war; Mexico lost... Historians tell the story very well.

Ed, the stock market was rather nasty earlier today, but the day finishing up in grand style with your last three posts.

Wow, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall to read all of the internal polling numbers on this one.

BTW, Mike Simms, Bush isn't running for anything any more. Pay attention.

The only hope the GOP has to retain the White House in 2008 is to run away from Dub Yuh. This fiasco has shown what most of us knew all along, he is not a conservative of any shape or form.

George W. Bush: America's First Female President

a couple of thoughts.........

the dems are better at spinning, this will look bad for repubs in the papers but folks on the street know better. 72% wanted border enforcement first. if any of the repubs running for president want to jump to the front of the pack they simply need to fashion a bill, keep it simple and speak about it clearly and often. this bill is a ticket to the white house. it is as important as iraq. ask anyone on the street.

this is a golden opportunity for the blue dog dems and repubs in the house. with back taxes as part of a bill the house is where the bill is supposed to originate to begin with. with the right leadership the best parts of this bill, and there were some, can be joined with a enforcement first bill to finally resolve immigration for a while.

last october, with much fan fare, bush signed the 854 mile fence bill. (we knew then his heart wasn't into it) that can be the anchor of the fence first proposal. if these politicians are serious, which i doubt, there should be no problem building it. meanwhile during those two years they can perfect the bio id cards and all the other provisions etc. when the fence is done then the illegals get their one year temporary card not when the bill is signed.

how incompetent is the government? they are now going to have to suspend the passport law because they can't handle the surge in requests for vacations. they can't handle a bulge of one million requests yet in the same breath they say they can handle 20 million illegals and do background checks in 24 hours. meanwhile US citizens with perfect id information can't get a passport in less than 3-4 months. you can't make up stupidity like this.

while we can celebrate for a day or so we have to keep the pressure on these dimwits to get an immigration bill that finally works and gets our sovereignty back.

I realize that my senator, Mr. Lott, voted no on cloture, but he did not vote until after the magic number of 40 had already been achieve.

I realize that my senator, Mr. Lott, voted no on cloture, but he did not vote until after the magic number of 40 had already been achieved.

"The Senate voted 51-46 to reject a proposal by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, to bar criminals -- including those ordered by judges to be deported -- from gaining legal status. "

Right from CNN - and there are still people having doubts that this is a terrible bill? Wow - I needed to get Police Certificates from all countries where I lived 6 month +, as well as military history (from a former communist country) when I applied for GC. But for illegal immigration being a US-convicted criminal has no bearing - as someone said, a GC in every pot? Wow.

This is surrealism at its max - how can any patriot be offended that this bill has failed considering just the statement above?

What a CROCK! We have a CRIMINAL government. It DOES NOT enforce the laws already on the books. It JAILS BORDER PATROL AGENTS who do their jobs. It DOES NOT attempt to stop the FLOOD OF ILLEGAL CRIMINALS - nay, it encourages more. This bill sought to REWARD CRIMINALS - with immediate citizenship (while the proponents blither about penalties they know damned well would never be enforced - no more than are the current laws against hiring illegal aliens enforced.)

This bloated lying government is dysfunctional, deceitful and dangerous. They voted to eliminate our borders (NAFTA) - they work now to implement, coerce and cram-through the North American Union, piece by piece, without debate, and without approval by a majority of American voters.

While the deceitful media fills ears and eyes full of tabloid titillation and the general public tokes up, tunes out and tipples, the dysfunctional bastards in DC will continue to wreck this nation in the name of socialist internationalism.

Americans, who want to see this nation maintain its sovereignty, should rise up and expel this arrogant and deceitful president and his fellow traitors in Congress. Fail that, and this nation won't exist in four years.

Americans, who want to see this nation maintain its sovereignty, should rise up and expel this arrogant and deceitful president

amen, at least some of your REPUGS are finally getting it ... albiet about 3500 brave soldiers too late, the guy is the worst president ever in almost every way ... you should all be ashamed for voting for him.

will conservatives thank the GOP for wanting to debate and amend a bill to encourage better legislation?

Captain, you have cited a few Conservative Pundits that have encouraged a level of hyperbole and vitriol.

i am stunned with how unprofessional so many have become.

they didn't reward the GOP and the President for a Border Fence Bill prior to the 2006 Election, and abandoned the very Conservative forces who were fighting for their interest.

i hope they have some appreciation for the likes of McConnell and Company who refused to allow Reid some pathetic censorship of debate and amendments.

in a related subject, in regards to how some have treated this fine President, the Anchoress has an excellent post not to be missed...

http://theanchoressonline.com/2007/06/06/part-ii-bush-betrayal-the-nations-soul/

will conservatives thank the GOP for wanting to debate and amend a bill to encourage better legislation?

Captain, you have cited a few Conservative Pundits that have encouraged a level of hyperbole and vitriol.

i am stunned with how unprofessional so many have become.

they didn't reward the GOP and the President for a Border Fence Bill prior to the 2006 Election, and abandoned the very Conservative forces who were fighting for their interest.

i hope they have some appreciation for the likes of McConnell and Company who refused to allow Reid some pathetic censorship of debate and amendments.

in a related subject, in regards to how some have treated this fine President, the Anchoress has an excellent post not to be missed...

http://theanchoressonline.com/2007/06/06/part-ii-bush-betrayal-the-nations-soul/

ron c. and monkei are fine examples of mindless dribble.

embarrassing...

do they like Ron Paul?

or do they work for his campaign?

WHEW!

Drudge, Sunday night, said the congress-critters were passing the word out, that their phone calls from angry constituents had diminished. He then posted this on Monday. On his blog.

Well, I thought the media had found away to work itself into the fabric of DC. And, Harry Reid would "get his bill."

Nope.

Dubya's also getting trounced.

As to Ted Kennedy, who let him drive this car? Do tell what he does when these big things go "a-sinking?"

At least we know the message, in DC, has been received.

Oh. And, up at InstaPundit, Chuck Hagel is drawing republican competition for his primary, in '08.

Where did the media come off thinking that the American people's dislike for this extravagant bullshit had "diminished?"

Seems McCain lost his "head" of North Carolina's delegation. So, that's another body that drops.

Leave it to Ted Kennedy to go and so something stupid. And, to get so many in the media. And, so many "pimp-y eyed congress-critters" to go along.

The "pimp-y eyed" remark goes to InstaPundit; where you link. And find a story about how the British Middle Class keeps getting screwed. (Because they're the tax slaves.) And, in Whitehall, as well as DC, those pimp-y eyed whores start setting off bells that they can tax ya yet again.

Well, there's still 600 days to go.

McCain's balloon has been brought down, early.

And, IF Reid comes back, there are donks, now, who fear for their re-election lives. All because of the Internet.

Perfectly handled, Captain. People are informed. And, no need to put on the TV.

Ditto for Drudge. I love the way he dealt with this one; leading off what the yahoo press was claiming as the truth. Again, turning into a pack of lies.

RBMN,

"And for the 100th time, the current laws let bad employers hide behind a big loophole. You have put a system in place that MAKES employers authenticate a forge-proof document. To do that, you need new legislation that sets up a new system. Not the same old garbage we live with today."

And the bill that went down in flames today did nothing to close that. In fact, it forced employers into a "don't ask, don't tell" situation with regards to the legal status of their employees. Give us a bill that closes the loopholes instead of widening them, and then we'll support it.

Trent Lott heard from me, and it wasn't pretty.
but it was very accurate.

I told him what I thought of a man who would sing praises to America's King Henry VIII for his STALINIST behavior.

And THAT is very cleaned up from what I said to Lott.

I ain't forgettin' what these clods have done to us - and you best remember, when Hillary got scolded for her desired medical reforms, in the next few years, she got most of it snuck in, behind closed doors, anyway - all to our detriment!

With nary a whimper from anyone!

Only patriots won tonight? Gee, I thought I was a patriot too.

Posted by: RBMN at June 7, 2007 8:58 PM

RBMN, I don't believe that most people would consider that disapproving of EVERYthing and sniping from behind the woodshed at the manifold efforts of others is the definition of "patriotism". Being an ill-informed crotchety old moonbat maybe. Being a caring American citizen, no.

Posted by: brooklyn at June 7, 2007 10:49 PM

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McCONNELL????????

[SNORT!]

Jim deMint held the line for us, hard and fast! ALL THE WAY!

McConnell is a ^%$%$#&**(&^%$$%#*&%$#
PHRRYQUETY PHRRAAQUE!!!

There was an amendment today that was defeated that would have required enforcing existing law. At first, I wondered how anyone could vote not to enforce current law.

The it occurred to me - and I heard more on the radio - the amendment was defeated because the new law was basically weakening many aspects of the current law and approving the amendment would have had backtracked on what "they" were trying to acheive.

Posted by: brooklyn at June 7, 2007 10:56 PM

Or just ordinary Stalinist Socialists with a new schtick.

You know that comedian with all the puppets, who has Jose' Jalepeno on A STEEEK?

Looks like these guys all have Ron Paul on A Steeeeek, also!

K-Lo at NRO's "The Corner" reports on this communication from a Senate staffer:

From a Senate staffer: "[Kyl] has always told his colleagues that he would suport their right to offer amendments and wouldn't let them be shut out by the Dems. He was adamant about this. This thing was doomed when it became clear that Reid wasn't going to allow ample debate for Sessions and DeMint; Kyl then stood by his fellow conservatives to protect their rights to amend and debate."

This Senate Guy adds: "I will note that, of the dealmakers, only Kyl stood up for conservatives. After repeated promises to the contrary, Graham, McCain, Martinez, and Specter all told the GOP senators to stuff it and tried to block further amendments."

I think that I will suspend Kyl's role in participating in the cobbling of the original bill. As a token conservative on the committee, he may have limited whatever damage could have been done by the committee, where he was certainly a minority representation.

That said, he certainly was out of touch with mainstream America of both parties in not understanding how objectionable the bill was.

Rock and hard place for Kyl. He came through in the end though.

Good points onlineanyalyst...

One of the biggest problems for the GOP while holding power, were the actions of McCain, Graham, Martinez, Voinovich, Hagel, Specter, & Snowe.

A few of my quick post-debate thoughts: (MM)

As annoying as Reid's refrain was, he is right: This was the president's bill. This was the monstrous sham that President Bush tried to ram through the Senate with his pal Teddy Kennedy--subverting the committee process, attempting to cram it in before the Memorial Day holiday, rushing to limit debate, and then complaining about delays. This was the bill President Bush sent conservative-bashing bureaucrats like DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff to peddle on CNN. This was the bill President Bush championed while deriding critics as fearful bigots and running away from building the fence he promised to build.

If the White House thinks conservatives are going to forget whose bill this was and the tactics the White House used in its failed attempt to ram it through Congress, they better think again.

If Lindsay Graham and John McCain think their abominable behavior is going to be forgotten, they better think again.

All is not lost within the Republican Party, though. Watching the floor debate closely the past week, I can tell you that we have three staunch, eloquent conservative defenders in Sens. Sessions, DeMint, and Coburn (though I'm not sure why Coburn didn't vote on cloture). Unlike President Bush and the pro-amnesty Republicans, these three Republican senators stand out in their understanding and appreciation of the rule of law, the past historical failures of shamnesty bargains, and the vital nexis between border security and homeland security.

I can't let the night end without also noting the Democrats who defied Reid. Without their votes, shamnesty would be alive and thriving. Whatever their reasons, they chose the right side.

Both Democrat Senators from my new home state (MT) voted nay, as they promised. I might add that Webb also voted nay.. Reid couldn't real in the blue-dogs; thank god. I might also add that almost all Democrats voted in favor of this shamnesty bill; the few who didn't deserve credit for helping to save our countries future; regardless, the Democrats have proven beyond any shadow of doubt, that they will go to any lengths to secure future votes, including the destruction of America as we know it. Power, Power, Power hungry bastards.

Here's the list of Republicans that voted with Democrats to stuff shamnesty down our throats:

McCain
Graham
Hagel
Specter
Voinovich
Lugar
Martinez

WE WILL NOT FORGET...

"More Reid, as he moans about a high-school senior who claimed she couldn't go to college because her parents were illegal. Huh? She could have gone -- but she couldn't get tax subsidies. In other words, she couldn't qualify for her tuition to be paid by you and me. I'm in favor of normalization after the borders are secured, but we don't need to add more entitlements on top of what we already have."

Newsflash Senators: most American children of American citizens cannot afford to send their kids to college. Why the $?#! should we care about any Mexican or Canadian or Brit or Somolian until our children are taken care of? This is not racist, nor is it isolationist. It is simple common sense. THIS is the problem in Washington. We send people up there who have no idea how Americans live. They are born, grow to adulthood, gets jobs, have kids, get elected, grown old and die without ever having a clue how the rest of us live. We have a damned good life and I ain't complaining, but I'm also not putting the children of foreigners ahead of my own. This is MY money we're talking about. Yours too.

As to "not forgetting" Keemo, Martinez is my senator and I'll be damned if I can see anything I can do to dislodge him. He is Bush's man to the core and his constituency is Republicans, Cubans and Puerto Ricans. C4 couldn't blow that barnacle off the hull.

There is no denying it: this bill was Bush's baby and dream, going back years. If 9/11 hadn't happened, this battle would have been fought a while ago. But it looks to me like it's dead in this Congress, because with the Presidential election cycle starting earlier than ever, the period where legislation will be seriously debated will be over before you know it.

Bush is very lucky that we don't have a British parliamentary-style system, or he definitely would have been kicked out of office a while ago. What struck me more than everything during this whole debate was that even the remaining hardcore Bushbots who usually defend him on everything were basically absent. That says a lot about this topic.

As for John McCain, Ho Chi Minh will win the Republican nomination before he does. He's finished.