Captain's Quarters -

Hirsi Ali has been chased through two countries, and still has 24/7 bodyguards because of the death threats to her. Does anyone know how Rushdie has managed to stay alive all these years?

Have the Brits and/or the Americans been providing him with protection at taxpayer expense? If so, I'm inclined to say it's worth it if it makes these maniacs get their robes all in a wad.

I don't have a sense of whether or not the Queen will be feeling the heat, too, or if she floats regally above it all. If she *is* feeling pressured, here's some support from an American:

Go, Ma'am, Go!

Crowds for hire, are nothing new to the West.

The most beautiful girls from down on the farm, running to hollywood to find fame, and instead finding prostitution, or just broken dreams, at best; are part of our culture, too.

Why did crowds do this in London(stan?) And, where do they go when their shilling for Islam is over?

When Henry the 8th got angry at the Pope in france; he managed to show that religion, even when it owned massive amounts of property; didn't have what it takes to "stick it out." So, now? We're here. But church attendance is down.

IF what the muzzies want is to start a religious war; how different are they than the American Indians? Who came in many tribes. But when they got viscious, found out the hard way, that it's counter-productive.

The problem you get with looking for solutions; is that if you don't let the nutters do their street marches, then you end up cancelling free speech.

All those idiots who stick together inside Islam? Well, the men get very well-trained women, for the most part. They don't have to learn the finer arts of being charming. And, their goats don't even demand that they use condoms.

I think that's a good way to design a system that implodes.

What can make Islam implode? Jeans and Nikes. Technology that these savages own, even when they're living 7th century lives; up yonder in the hills.

The last vistages of religion, believe it or not, are their social aspects. What I'd call the "church ladies," and where would they go if they didn't congegate to gossip, where they do?

Since hollywood can round up extras. Since people still dream of making it big, there; the youths still flock towards the "dreams."

While in Iran? That country may be more destabilized than we think?

YOu could even learn something from American history. Our first 3 presidents were sure Americand didn't want to fight another war; so we were very slow ... 40 years worth of slow ... going after the pirates at sea. And, those pirates were taking not only our ships, but our men. And, those that survived were forced into slavery.

Thomas Jerfferson purposely went and took a pass on the military solution; leaving men stranded who wanted to fight. James Monroe, President #4. And, then only in his 2nd term, first fought Napoleon's grab in the Caribbean. And, then. Seeing what American seamen could do; sent the ships against the Algerians ... Tunisians. All the way to Tripoli. We called those soldiers, marines.

Marines sail to their battlefields on ships. And, fight on the land. And, when we did this back in the 1800's? The Europeans, who were into paying "tribute" applauded.

We were young then.

But Winston Churchill said Americans always do the right thing. Adding the caveat: Eventually.

Eventually, the American Indians also lost.

Meanwhile, we husband assets.

While they abhor Islam, neither Hirsi Ali nor Salman Rushdie is a defender of the west.

Hirsi Ali is in favor of gay marriage and abortion, believes Catholicism as bad as Islam and has publicly stated that she finds no fault with sharia law adopted democratically. Hirsi does us no favors in promoting the worst and most destructive western tendancies and then using them to taunt Islam.

Rushdie holds no loyalty or fondness for traditional western society, particularly British culture.

Britain, enamored of their multi-culti madness, knighted him, thereby twice sticking its thumb in its own eye.

"The Rushdie fatwa established the ground rules: The side that means it gets away with it. Mobs marched through Britain calling for the murder of a British subject – and, as a matter of policy on the grounds of multicultural sensitivity, the British police shrugged and looked the other way."

I was in college when the Rushdie fatwa was issued. I remember how odd I thought it was that people got so upset about a book. This is what I was taught, so this is how I thought. Each subsequent act of terror was met with similar disbelief. I could not believe that these "extremist" people really wanted to harm anybody, I just thought they were oppressed and wanted to be heard. They lacked a voice and if given a voice the killing would stop. My problem was that I never took the time to actually read the words the "extremists" were speaking. I did not know the players, I did not know their grievances, and thus I never read beyond the body counts.

We must listen to hear and hear to believe what folks like Amadinejad are saying. As Steyn will tell you, their world view is not the comforting multi-culti can't we all get along stuff of John Lennon and their views can no longer be ignored.

Leftists already have the narrative in place: terrorism didn't start until Bushitler took office.

They're purging history as we speak, as bolsheviks are known to do.

Capt.,

Loved your analysis of The Sopranos ending.

I'm asking because I want to know, is troll Carol Herman considered insane at your blog? Nobody responds to her endless screeds.

She must spend hours writing cryptic lines whose only function seems to be to sow seeds of doubt.

It's like giving an educated bag lady access to a computer.

Capt.,

Loved your analysis of The Sopranos ending.

I'm asking because I want to know, is troll Carol Herman considered insane at your blog? Nobody responds to her endless screeds.

She must spend hours writing cryptic lines whose only function seems to be to sow seeds of doubt.

It's like giving an educated bag lady access to a computer.

Capt.,

Loved your analysis of The Sopranos ending.

I'm asking because I want to know, is troll Carol Herman considered insane at your blog? Nobody responds to her endless screeds.

She must spend hours writing cryptic lines whose only function seems to be to sow seeds of doubt.

It's like giving an educated bag lady access to a computer.

Emerson, you're just jealous 'cause you can't type 200WPM. Except for the 'return' key, of course.

"Too many are busy scolding Islam's critics as "insensitive" and as borderline bigots, while millions of Muslims fill streets calling for the murder or writers and cartoonists."

Is it possible to believe that many of "Islam's critics" are borderline bigots and also be opposed to the murder of writers and cartoonists?

I'll take that option.

Bigotry is by definition irrational. There is nothing irrational about oppostion to Islam.

The Rushdie fatwa established the ground rules: The side that means it gets away with it.

There it is in the nutshell!

The Western MSM isn't defending Free Speech because they are too busy embracing this fatwa! It is so almost identical to their own, issued from the Hollywood fairy queen godmother: "If you close your eyes and wish hard enough, all your dreams will come true."

We must listen to hear and hear to believe what folks like Amadinejad are saying. As Steyn will tell you, their world view is not the comforting multi-culti can't we all get along stuff of John Lennon and their views can no longer be ignored.

Posted by: Angry Dumbo at June 24, 2007 11:40 AM

It is long past time to worry so much about WHAT THEY ARE SAYING as it is time to start DOING SOMETHING about THEIR ACTIONS.

Steyn is right, and last year he warned us that women in many places are beginning to wear Burkhas when they have to walk somewhere alone, because of the ILLEGAL ALIEN rape gangs in their nations, who are operating in their neighborhoods - he said one of the ladies who told him she does that is doing so in her own posh neighborhood, because of the threats and tauntings she received.

But it is worse than that when two people RAISED IN THE MIDDLE EAST - Walid Shoebat, and Bridgette Gabriel - also tell us THAT OUR OWN UNIVERSTIY CAMPUSES look like some middle eastern HOTBEDS, imposing Shari'a Law limits on WESTERN SPEECH in AMERICAN COLLEGE CAMPUSES, so much so that PRO-AMERICAN speakers have to have armed police even on stage with them, escorting them from airport to hotel room, to campus, and back. But that doesn't happen as often as the PRO-AMERICAN SPEAKERS ENGAGEMENTS ARE SIMPLY DENIED OR CANCELLED - due to security concerns!

IN AMERICA.

And those incidents are NOT GETTING REPORTED on LOCAL or NATIONAL TV.

And ESPECIALLY NOT in the old gray lady, et al.

The warnings to America from such people as these are very very stark.

They arise from their personal knowledge of the fact of occurances in America since 9/11, when American mosques prolly numbers somewhere in the neighborhood of approx. 300+ - and now number in the TENS OF THOUSANDS, most being established by ILLEGAL ALIEN mosque leadership OF THE WAHABI brand.

When articles online such as from Front Page News or others that do get MSM attention - NOBODY DENIES these statements as facts - THEY JUST IGNORE THEM.

WE KNOW of communities where the clarion calls to 5 AM prayers etc are being blared in predominantly White American neighborhoods, surrounded by Christian churches, but nothing is done - "in the name of multi-culturalism" - even though our authorities cannot be ignorant of the activities of ILLEGAL ALIEN muslims in Australia, England, and Europe, in nations where they are NOT EVEN NATIVES.

Yesterday, it was disclosed that SPAIN is voting to give PREFERENTIAL CITIZENSHIP to descendants of MUSLIM INVADERS of centuries ago, because at one point, when the Spanish regained control of their land, they EVICTED 300,000 NON-NATIVE MUSLIM insurgents - so now, to "right the wrong", the Spanish will give THEIR DESCENDENTS PRIORITY for CITIZENSHIP in Spain.
We know this is the right thing to do, because those descendents still treasure the house keys they kept to the Spanish homes they owned at the time of their mass eviction.

Does anyone remember that a nation HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF???

When it is against this kind of culture and religion, THAT CROSSES ALL BOUNDARIES OF MULTI-CULTURALISM or obligation to "BE EQUAL TO ALL" - because that means accepting a life of OPPRESSION to ONE religion that is DEADLY in its enforcement - you haven't SHARED with these peoples - YOU GAVE EVERYTHING YOU OWN TO THEM, including your and your families VERY LIVES.

What will these fancy judges and politicians do when the local mufti knocks on their door and says they are confiscating their home and property because of a FATWA that has been issued against them?

BET THEY THINK THEIR PHYSICAL NEIGHBORS SHOULD COME OUT AND DEFEND THEM!

We must listen to hear and hear to believe what folks like Amadinejad are saying. As Steyn will tell you, their world view is not the comforting multi-culti can't we all get along stuff of John Lennon and their views can no longer be ignored.

Posted by: Angry Dumbo at June 24, 2007 11:40 AM

It is long past time to worry so much about WHAT THEY ARE SAYING as it is time to start DOING SOMETHING about THEIR ACTIONS.

Steyn is right, and last year he warned us that women in many places are beginning to wear Burkhas when they have to walk somewhere alone, because of the ILLEGAL ALIEN rape gangs in their nations, who are operating in their neighborhoods - he said one of the ladies who told him she does that is doing so in her own posh neighborhood, because of the threats and tauntings she received.

But it is worse than that when two people RAISED IN THE MIDDLE EAST - Walid Shoebat, and Bridgette Gabriel - also tell us THAT OUR OWN UNIVERSTIY CAMPUSES look like some middle eastern HOTBEDS, imposing Shari'a Law limits on WESTERN SPEECH in AMERICAN COLLEGE CAMPUSES, so much so that PRO-AMERICAN speakers have to have armed police even on stage with them, escorting them from airport to hotel room, to campus, and back. But that doesn't happen as often as the PRO-AMERICAN SPEAKERS ENGAGEMENTS ARE SIMPLY DENIED OR CANCELLED - due to security concerns!

IN AMERICA.

And those incidents are NOT GETTING REPORTED on LOCAL or NATIONAL TV.

And ESPECIALLY NOT in the old gray lady, et al.

The warnings to America from such people as these are very very stark.

They arise from their personal knowledge of the fact of occurances in America since 9/11, when American mosques prolly numbers somewhere in the neighborhood of approx. 300+ - and now number in the TENS OF THOUSANDS, most being established by ILLEGAL ALIEN mosque leadership OF THE WAHABI brand.

When articles online such as from Front Page News or others that do get MSM attention - NOBODY DENIES these statements as facts - THEY JUST IGNORE THEM.

WE KNOW of communities where the clarion calls to 5 AM prayers etc are being blared in predominantly White American neighborhoods, surrounded by Christian churches, but nothing is done - "in the name of multi-culturalism" - even though our authorities cannot be ignorant of the activities of ILLEGAL ALIEN muslims in Australia, England, and Europe, in nations where they are NOT EVEN NATIVES.

Yesterday, it was disclosed that SPAIN is voting to give PREFERENTIAL CITIZENSHIP to descendants of MUSLIM INVADERS of centuries ago, because at one point, when the Spanish regained control of their land, they EVICTED 300,000 NON-NATIVE MUSLIM insurgents - so now, to "right the wrong", the Spanish will give THEIR DESCENDENTS PRIORITY for CITIZENSHIP in Spain.
We know this is the right thing to do, because those descendents still treasure the house keys they kept to the Spanish homes they owned at the time of their mass eviction.

Does anyone remember that a nation HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF???

When it is against this kind of culture and religion, THAT CROSSES ALL BOUNDARIES OF MULTI-CULTURALISM or obligation to "BE EQUAL TO ALL" - because that means accepting a life of OPPRESSION to ONE religion that is DEADLY in its enforcement - you haven't SHARED with these peoples - YOU GAVE EVERYTHING YOU OWN TO THEM, including your and your families VERY LIVES.

What will these fancy judges and politicians do when the local mufti knocks on their door and says they are confiscating their home and property because of a FATWA that has been issued against them?

BET THEY THINK THEIR PHYSICAL NEIGHBORS SHOULD COME OUT AND DEFEND THEM!

Sorry for the Double Post - my computer was indicating I didn't have a connection and it didn't go through. Sorry.

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Is it possible to believe that many of "Islam's critics" are borderline bigots and also be opposed to the murder of writers and cartoonists?

I'll take that option.

Posted by: ShochuJohn at June 24, 2007 1:36 PM

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You mean like the Angelina Jolie movie about Daniel Pearl's murder, that was funded by organizations that also fund Islamic terrorists,. too? The one where the production company didn't bother to tell Daniel's FATHER where the funding was coming from?

No.

It is one thing to irrationally hate a neighbor family down the street who live peaceably and harming no one, just because of their skin color - while you harbor fears that they will spread a contagious plague if you even so much as drink from the same water fountain.

But to call people bigots for hating a culture of DEATH AND MURDER, who have stated millions of times monthly their clear intentions to slaughter you - and have provided plenty of activity to lend their words every credence - while you yourself remain suicidally "naive" about their murderous intentions towards you - and thus refuse to join with your own neighbors and community to EFFECTIVELY FIGHT THEM OFF before it is too late! And you find your self with neither means nor methods to save your own family, and have disarmed every one else YOURSELF, so that NOBODY ELSE can come and rescue your family , EITHER.

These folks have already demonstrated dozens and dozens of times in other nations how they insidiously slide in among the NATIVES, usually ILLEGALLY, then begin to claim their "CIVIL RIGHTS" until they are in large enough numbers to intimidate the local law, then form RAPE GANGS, and begin to enforce HONOR KILLINGS and other parts of Shari'a law on the NATIVE NON-MUSLIMS, til there is open guerilla warfare, and you have nothing you can do to defend yourselves, and the army cannot fight it because they aren't wearing uniforms of an enemy NATION, they might shoot the wrong person, and besides, they are being "NORMALIZED" by the GOVERNMENT.

"EQUALITY" MEANS that you treat all cold-blooded murderers alike, in so far as what they did was similar, that you treat all SELF-DEFENSE alike, you treat all THIEVES alike, in so much as their actions were similar, and you treat all INNOCENT PEOPLES alike, in so much as they show GOOD WILL TOWARDS OTHERS - but when groups show DESTRUCTIVE INTENTIONS, then it doesn't matter if it is a street gang of drug peddlers, or a street gang of illegal alien dreg peddlers, or an illegal alien gang of RAPISTS, or a board room full of SUITS who fund the street gangs of rapists/bombers/honor killers - THEY ALL ALSO GET TREATED ALIKE, and just because they stand in front of you in a SUIT demanding your VOTE, AND THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE THEIR OWN RELIGION IN THEIR OWN MURDEROUS FASHION doesn't make them any different than the ILLEGAL ALIEN GANG of RAPISTS roaming the neighborhoods and public beaches looking for uncovered meat.

No, you cannot take all sides.

It simply isn't PHYSICALLY possible.

You are either SUICIDAL, or you respect your own right to defend yourself even from INSIDIOUS enemies who have demonstrated murderous intent - thoroughly.

It is ok to admit your homeland nation's side wasn't PERFECT - and STILL RETAINS THE RIGHT OF SELF DEFENSE.

These folks were doing these things before America was ever formed - you need to get rid of the SOCIALIST Idea that WE CAUSED IT.

We did not, and when you look at the European nations already swamped by this problem WHO NEVER SAID OR DID A THING about the muslim religion ONE WAY OR THE OTHER before their problems with them began - YOU MUST CONFESS THE TRUTH - if you want to LIVE.

Oh, Lord, Rose is taking over where Carol Herman left off length-wise.

And she USES ALL CAPS.

And Quotes the BIBLE.

aCk.

You simply cannot have a civilized negotiation with barbarian fanatics. The Islamist extremists are murderous animals, slaves to a death cult. The only resolution will be when we kill them, or they kill us.

Now, of course some well-intentioned fools will continue to believe it is "bigotry" to state facts or to repeat the radicals' own words. They do serve a purpose, as if we follow the trail of their severed heads, it may lead us to groups of the Islamists.

"...about the existential threat to themselves..."

Its not an existential threat; its a corporeal threat!

Oh come on NahnCee, Rose may have a penchant for run-on sentences and an ALL CAPS level of passion, but she can't hold a candle to Carol Herman when it comes to real incoherence and rambling non sequiters. Carol is the master!

Quotes the Bible? Did I miss something? Where did this appear? And how is that an automatic put-down anyway? Maybe I'm losing it in my old age, but I don't see the quote and I don't see the problem.

Lew, my apologies. No Bible quotes in this particular thread, but elsewhere. Surf around a little, dude. To me, Bible quoting has just as much validity as Koran quoting; i.e., none. Just the facts, ma'am.

Emerson asked:

"I'm asking because I want to know, is troll Carol Herman considered insane at your blog? "

LOL! As opposed to someone whose sig is a link to a website with such musical nonsense as "Party Time for A**holes", "Medication Time" and "Hangover Heart Attack"?

Give me Nick Lowe, Ian Dury and Elvis Costello any day. Now those were REAL punks!

Now, of course some well-intentioned fools will continue to believe it is "bigotry" to state facts or to repeat the radicals' own words. They do serve a purpose, as if we follow the trail of their severed heads, it may lead us to groups of the Islamists.

Posted by: Adjoran at June 24, 2007 4:06 PM
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That is where it is at. And all it is worth to them is a Hollywood event to be a fundraiser FOR THE HEAD CHOPPERS.

And they turn around and get mad because we don't think they are patriotic.

emerson
you're an idiot

Carol talks way over most of our heads and complicates it with an overdose of metaphor, but if you read her enough, you start to understand the points she's making.

I agree about biblical references being appropriate. The christian bible is, without question, the most influential bit of literature, culturally, to Americans and the English. There are countless examples of the bible informing our views and philosophies. To attempt to excise it from our conversations would be strange and maybe even impossible. Atheist, agnostic or religious, if you grew up in America, you can't escape the bible's impact.

Back to the topic, I think we have learned a lot. You may not see the lessons expressing themselves in policy so much, or yet in the lexicon, but give it time. Attitudes have changed. If 9/11 happened again, you'd have four planes crashed in some field rather than one. I agree that this frank assessment hasn't penetrated the forcefields protecting the State Department, but when has anything?

NahnCee,

I guess I haven't noticed Rose's biblical scholarship because my visits here have a tendency to be somewhat episodic and occasional. Speaking in the abstract however, I don't see quotations from the Bible as either automatically virtuous or otherwise. Like anything else available to all of us, it depends on what you use it for. If its used in an expectation that it will silence an argument then its clearly silly. If its used to illustrate the long provenance and acceptance of an idea, then it has some merit.

Personally, I have always found the Bible to be an almost limitless source of wisdom and inspiration in understanding myself and those around me. I find its timelessness and relevance truly amazing and I've promised myself for most of my life to one day sit down and read it all the way through. For my money, if you really want to understand humanity, and not just human beings, you couldn't find a better starting place.

Sorry for the multiple entries. My attempts to post all came back are errors, so I was trying to make it work.

I like Nick Lowe, Ian Dury and Elvis Costello but they were never punk. They were somewhere between pub rock and new wave. The Vindictives are a great pop-punk band.

George, please be my friend.

Posted by: Lew at June 24, 2007 5:40 PM
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Posted by: Immolate at June 25, 2007 7:46 AM
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Thanks, Lew, Immolate, much thanks.