Captain's Quarters -

Lets see, we don’t enforce the laws on the books so now Congress will pass legislation for a whole new set of laws that won’t be enforced. I predict that in a few years we will be back to this debate on yet another round of legislation.

I just added an excerpt and link to my 2006.06.27 "No Illegal Left Behind" Roundup. Regardless of what happens tomorrow we now have a pretty good list of bogus Republicans to work hard against in the primaries, or maybe even in the general election if they run against moderate Dems.

"My prediction? Cloture fails, 57-42." I hope you're right, but will that really be the end of it? My guess is the "Masters of the Universe" will keep right on trying. It ain't over till the fat lady goes back to Mexico.

if Reid comes within 3 votes of cloture, you can bet your bottom dollar he will bring it up again.

When the bill dies, there'll be lots of employers--the ones who hire illegals (already here)--that'll be popping champagne corks too. Back to business as usual--forged documents, no requirement to authenticate, and those unenforceable penalties. "Cheers."

Ed: "My prediction? Cloture fails, 57-42."

I like your optimism but I doubt that outcome.

Cloture passes by one vote. It's a fait accompli. Senators can always fall back on "I thought the bill deserved an 'up' or 'down' vote because we represent an honorable institution that relishes debate and input for the sake of the nation and this important issue deserves to be on record blah blah blah," nevermind that their behavior makes such a defense a bald-faced lie.

We will get amnesty. We won't defend our laws, border, or sovereignty. Maybe this bill is reintroduced again (if it fails), but the amnesty above all else is the goal. That doesn't mean giving up the fight or forgetting the actors by any means; just know that we voters are more or less a herd to be corralled and milked until we voters change the paradigm.

So we are going to get an amnesty on illegal immigrants. Does that mean that soon there will be an amnesty on delinquent students loans and income tax?

So we are going to get an amnesty on illegal immigrants. Does that mean that soon there will be an amnesty on delinquent students loans and income tax? Ally ally outs in free!

I agree with Bill Faith, AnonymousDrive, and Labamigo. The "Masters of the Universe" have egos to match, and their arrogance has reached cosmic - not to mention comical - proportions. If cloture fails (I predict that it will not), the Masters will simply circumvent the rules of the Senate again. What’s to stop them? A greedy and corrupt minority is now running the show – 64 Senators made sure of that yesterday. So what if some of them are squawking now that they were deceived? It’s not like they were not warned.

If you have even wondered what living in a one-party fascist state was like, you are already at the threshold. Can anyone name any serious differences between Democrat and Republican Senate leaders? When (not "if") this bill becomes law - by legal means or otherwise - our Masters may well be beyond our reach.

Here is how it could happen. The amnesty bill offers Democrats many intriguing possibilities when it comes to Congressional re-apportionment. People seem to have forgotten an important fact: population in a Congressional district - not number of voters - is the key to how House seats are apportioned. Personally, I would not be surprised to see a dozen or more solid Democrat House seats created in major cities by this bill. Something similar will likely happen with state legislatures. Because of this, illegals will give Democrats an unassailable majority even if they never cast a single ballot. And when you add in the undeniable skill that Democrats have at voter fraud and outright cheating……

Tomorrow the Democrats and the Amnesty Republicans who dwell in Incumbentstan can pop champagne corks and go back to business as usual. Because "business as usual" - meaning cheap, easily-exploited labor - will soon be the law of the land.

Re: Mwalimu Daudi at June 27, 2007 10:53 PM

Hey, you're the one choosing nothing over something. Don't blame me, when two years from now absolutely nothing has changed, because of the political gridlock. After this, nobody's going to touch this issue with a ten-foot pole until after the 2008 election.

The Republicans participating in this farce do not comprehend the immense damage they have done to their party. No longer will loyal Republicans give to the Republican Congressional Committee knowing that their contributions may go to the worst offenders. Indeed many are asking that their contributions be returned, and getting them.

There is a deep sense of betrayel, especialy for the total lack of transparency in developing this bill. The conspiritors knew the light of day would kill it and they tried to cram it through before the public knew what was in it and could react. Thank God for the blogs and talk radio!

I won't give to any group that might support Senators Specter, Martinez or McCain. If this hurts the Republican Party, so be it.

I'm floored. A senator who can speak to "me" without coming off as a condescending blowhard. Whichever way this Bill goes, thank you, Senator Inhofe, for not treating me like a four-year-old.

I wish I could believe you but I suspect this has all been scripted and that the fix is in.
I am really pissed off watching this 'clay pigeon' BS from Reid. This stuff is life and death important and they are playing these idiotic and childish games. I feel like my intelligence is being insulted.

The bill does not provide Amnesty to 12 million illegals, it provides a pardon to 12 million criminals. If we can pardon 12 million known criminal invaders why can't we pardon the millions of criminals now in prison across the country. Same laws were broken, the laws of the United States.

Re: Scrapiron at June 28, 2007 1:05 AM

Scrapiron wrote: "If we can pardon 12 million known criminal invaders why can't we pardon the millions of criminals now in prison across the country."

Because nobody ever gets prison for first time federal misdemeanor, which is what an illegal entry amounts to in the law.

While one can take WND w/a grain of salt, if what they wrote was true, that Richard Armitage's??? group is putting together a report for a North American Union by 2025 is true, and scheduled to be presented later this year, this is why it was a done deal - and it'll be a done deal in the House, too.

They want to get rid of the Constitution, welcome to Europe, we can't laugh at them anymore.

RBMN - I don't understand where you are coming from. If you just want open borders, why don't you just come out and say it. You seem infinitely defensive of both this bill, and people who enter the US illegally.
As for doing nothing, I can live with the possibility that nothing will change in the next 2 years or may even get worse.

Re: ian at June 28, 2007 2:35 AM

I guess I'm coming from the same place as George Bush is coming from--forgiveness, generosity, and security. Nothing else. Since 1999, the fact that George Bush wanted to bring this illegal immigrant population out into the open, without sending them home, has been a big plus in my evaluation of his leadership. He also wants to know exactly who they are and if they're dangerous, case by case.

Try as I might, I just can't hate people that want to work (the typical illegal) for doing something that I would do if I was in their position. I'd give that American Dream a shot. Worst that could probably happen is: I'd get sent back to my little hovel in Mexico, back to where I started.

Those with unauthorized border-crossing being the biggest crime they ever committed, I'd let them stay. I hope they become citizens. Over time, I think it's a good deal. If not in the first (uneducated) generation, then in the next American-born generation. There's plenty of room in this country by my estimation.

In 1867, the American public thought that buying Alaska was a really stupid idea, but it turned out okay. I think this will too.

RMBN,
Obviously not being nuanced as to which exact crimes are Federal misdemeanors and which are felonies, I will defer to you on the question of whether or not illegal border crossing constitutes a misdemeanor crime. However, in order to legally work in the US, a Social Security number is required. Since SSN's are as a rule, not provided to non authorized persons, it seems to me that the majority of illegals who are working have provided either a made up, duplicated, or stolen SSN. Since SSN fraud is a Federal FELONY, it appears from your posts that not only are you ok with totally open borders, apparently you are ok with identity theft and the resulting hassles and financial losses endured by its victims, of which I have been one. Fortunately mine was discovered before I suffered any financial loss, but I am very much the exception.

RMBN,
Obviously not being nuanced as to which exact crimes are Federal misdemeanors and which are felonies, I will defer to you on the question of whether or not illegal border crossing constitutes a misdemeanor crime. However, in order to legally work in the US, a Social Security number is required. Since SSN's are as a rule, not provided to non authorized persons, it seems to me that the majority of illegals who are working have provided either a made up, duplicated, or stolen SSN. Since SSN fraud is a Federal FELONY, it appears from your posts that not only are you ok with totally open borders, apparently you are ok with identity theft and the resulting hassles and financial losses endured by its victims, of which I have been one. Fortunately mine was discovered before I suffered any financial loss, but I am very much the exception.

Well, Ed, it looks as if the tally on this cloture vote (46-53) split our difference exactly... with your being on the "fail" side, and the winning one from my perspective, to split the electoral tie.

Congratulations on your prognosticating skills. I won't eat any crow yet until I know this Congress and this President cannot pass amnesty-plus, but I'll have a plate ready and gladly chow down if wall/enforcement comes first and amnesty doesn't come at all. In fact I'll relish every bite.