Captain's Quarters -

BUMPER STICKER ALERT!

Here's my parry: DEMOCRATS BETRAY US

Keeping an eye on the Petraeus testimony during lunch, I was glad to see Sen. Vitter of Louisiana demand the Senate pass a bill decrying MoveOn.org. I think that's a terrific idea. Let's put the Democrats on the record to see if they support the hatred and anti-Americanism of the Lefties, especially Hillary and Obama.

Lord knows this Congress is only good at passing "largely symbolic bills" so let's have one from the other side of the aisle. If the Senate has time to take a no-confidence vote in Gonzales, they have time to take a no-confidence vote in the rabid moonbat wing of the Dems.

Here's an prediction: the Democratic party doesn't distance itself from the Moveon ad, the right-wing huffs and puffs about it for about a week, then everyone moves on with their life.

I know, I know - another outrage from the evil socialist communist pig dog democrats and their evil supporters!

I note that there wasn't much outcry over various Republicans calling Democratic senators basically the same thing...

Yes the evil dems will probably start wearing purple bandaids next!!

Vitter is an idiot; into hiring whores for dominatrix sexual escapes. He's just a disaster waiting to happen. Since his state is lead by a Bonkey. Louisiana's governor Blanco. Who wants Vitter's seat for herself.

While Wide-Stance Larry just pulled his guilty plea away. And, we get to see, ahead, what politicians are gonna do about it.

BELDAR has up information. He's a great lawyer. So when he shows you the HOLES in the logic; you come away, informed.

Why bother with what George Soros buys? It seems the money he throws at old women; who then put on pink. So they looked like stuffed pigs. Isn't exactly send the Bonkey stock soaring.

Better to let the TV "adjust." Most of us aren't even watching, Fox, CNN, or C-Span. Picking up these events, here.

And, I do suspect the most colorful ones will still show up, ahead, on U-Tube.

Both sides of the aisle are innept.

How do we elect so many bad apples? What's the trick? (I know. I know. Just like whore houses, you don't really get a "cross-section." Only those who can make a living at this sort of work.)

NOT the Congress' finest hour.

That clock's never been reset! And, right out of the ball park the congress critters FAILED. You didn't know? Well, for one thing, we had about 1.5 million SAILORS, who plied America's expanding trade business; get captured, within our first 35 years; because FOUR Presidents, "preferred" paying tribute to the arabs. Wasn't till our 5th President's, JAME MONROE's 2nd term, that he sent in the marines. And, cleaned the clocks of those Barbary pirates. The french called them "Corsairs.") And, europeans didn't mind paying Tribute, either.

While congress dithered about building a navy, in the first place. Why? The congress critters thought of State Powers; but not protecting the WHOLE. Which is our Federal system.

1.5 million white guys taken prisoner. Sold as slaves.

Till, finally, the ransom payments stopped.

Sure, it's more expensive to run wars. But wars bring benefits. Paying ransom just doesn't cut the mustard.

Politics is a most interesting subject. Our schools don't teach it, though.

Heck, even when I was young, and was attending elementary school in the 1940's, I knew most of what was taught in history class was HOKUM.

Later, because I read a lot, I heard about FDR. When he wanted to talk straight to the AMerican people. So, he told everybody to tune into one of his radio chats. BUT FIRST BUY WORLD MAPS!

Even then! He had to explain the Pacific to his audience. And, when our troops went out? They'd find themselves in places they didn't even know existed. (The Japs, on the other hand, by the early 1940's, OWNED about a million miles of the Pacific. And, the direct threat there was to Australia; had Winston Churchill BEGGING FDR to get MacArthur off from the Philippeans. So he could lead the Pacific battles. Which he executed BRILLIANTLY.

How did MacArthur get rescued? The Navy sent a 4-boat flotilla. And, they fought their ways past the Japanese; who were waiting like cats, surrounding the island.

Oh, there are no excuses! If you can read, you can go look this up! America's history is grand!

All ya need, really, are four years of education. Everything else is just piled on crap.

But first? Ya gotta be motivated.

Our best and brightest ARE!

Ya know, vaudeville also died. America's ushered in so many changes, it's a boost we get in just about every decade.

Wanna cry over Move.on? Why? Those weirdos want to take on Americans? What a hoot. Let alone, take on our military; which in Clinton's 8 years, suffered from his scurvy.

I note that there wasn't much outcry over various Republicans calling Democratic senators basically the same thing...

Duh.. A Petraeus was put in his position by Congress. Petraeus's record is spotless.

Political operatives TRASH Petraeus for political points. Without shame.

If you can't see the difference between Petraeus and members of Congress I pity you.

I note that there wasn't much outcry over various Republicans calling Democratic senators basically the same thing...

If you put George Soros in pink, wouldn't he look just like those Move.On Code-Pink hags?

Perhaps, it's a vanity thing with him? He sees a reflection of himself, all dragged out. And, it makes him "happy?"

They say he's a "smart investor." Well, they said hitler was smart, too.

My personal opinions beg to differ. A putz is still a putz. ANd, vaudeville is still dead.

Oh, and so is Osama.

The Dems have already started giving their answer -- it's that they don't agree with Petraeus' assessment because it is wrong, but they honor Petraeus' service.

As to how it is wrong, they cite the talking points off of the moveon.org website, which is based on pre-surge data, as justification for not continuing the surge.

These guys need to know that almost everything we are talking about has "t" as a variable, and if you choose a "t" whose delta is far enough from the present, you get answers closer to those of George B. McClellan rather than David H. Petraeus.

What's interesting is the photo on their site today -- with the drawing of a fireman's face front and center. This image reminds me of the analog to moveon.org's "General Betray Us" -- William Langewiesche and his claim that firemen looted the World Trade Center prior to its collapse. Both are falseness cast upon heroes.

What happened to the dictionary meaning of liberal? these days liberal means control at every point by the government, surely that is communist or at least socialist, our whole political scene has shifted to the left, both in the USA and England, oddly this has not brought more voters into the conservative fold, does this mean the liberal vote is blindly following a name? is it time we started to call these deceptions out? using logic on these people is futile but if we question the moonbattery with"how is THAT liberal (or even democratic) ? " just maybe we can make some think. While there andoubtable many unballanced people about, that is not the explanation of the Democratic support.

The Dems have already started giving their answer -- it's that they don't agree with Petraeus' assessment because it is wrong, but they honor Petraeus' service.

As to how it is wrong, they cite the talking points off of the moveon.org website, which is based on pre-surge data, as justification for not continuing the surge.

It's worse then that. It's because they see failure in everything in Iraq. It's because failure in Iraq is the only option the Democrats have of being a viable political party in this generation. If there is any success in Iraq, then the GOP will run Congress and the White House for decades. They know this.

Therefore any success is not good enough for the Dems. The problem is the American people are seeing the success and they are saying "We can win this."

And the Dems are scared. They must engineer our defeat for their victory in 2008.

The sad fact is that moveon.org and the Democrat Party are now inseparable. When Pelosi decided to rub shoulders with the leaders of Syria it should be obvious that our nation's best interests are not what is pulling her heart strings. Even the senile loser Peanut Carter routinely trash talks his own nation for speaking fees. Add to that the pathetic posturing of the past few days by Lantos, Biden, Schumer and Kucinich.

It is simply what is to be expected from the modern Democrat Party no less than the Clintoons taking bribes from the ChiComs, Hsu, Trie, Riady, Huang, the Kamchanalaks, Loral or Buddhist monks whom have taken an oath of poverty. It's their nature.

What is truly amazing is that the Clintoons think so little of their dupes that if they say they will give the dirty money back then everything will be okay. Unfortunately for this nation the Clintoons assessment of their dutiful dupes willingness to play along with every degenerate act is usually correct.

Lightwave,

"The problem is the American people are seeing the success and they are saying "We can win this.""

It's rather unfortunate for your position that there is no actual polling data that supports this assertion. Can you point to any, for my edification?

Viking01, why do you find the affirmative action limosine "tragic." So many of those inside, have never even worked a hard day in all their lives. And, when they park on "millionnaire's row," they're slumming it.

America's Civil War was tragic.

It also proved that as wonderful as our system is, the real dangers come from congress critters. They're the Elmer Gantry's of the policial class. Using their skills to extract money from the pockets of the innocents.

They've screwed up before. And, I'm sure they'll screw up, again. They seem to like the prizes they think are there's for the "picking."

And, starting in 2000 it seems to me that affirmative action left reality, altogether. As Algore decided Bush wasn't worthy. So a real campaign runs, now, where a few are out to show you that just have "no respect."

Not for you. Not for your loved ones. It's as if they think the last "big" revolution happened in france. Oh, about the time our's did. And, they all seem to like to parade about as born again Napoleon's.

The head chopper? Been reduced to chopping the scenery. Which can get funny, ya know? Because today you don't have to be a professional to put something together; and get it posted to U-Tube.

Seems to me, affirmative action got its biggest start back in the 1960's. Just after the EDSEL failed; LBJ, by hook or crook, ended up in the White House; and crapped out. (Later? Nixon would also do this "trick" at the gambling table.)

Do people ever learn?

Every single time we've had a bust, it's GOOD for the stock market. And, it gets a lot of gamblers out of the business, too. Just stay away from the stocks you can't afford to keep.

Meanwhile, the GOP made huge errors! They did so when they ran their own empty suit: Warren Harding. Picked by the back room guys because he was gorgeous. And, had a baritone. (Mitt Romney's followers are counting on this one, to replay, again.)

The biggest mistake, however, was to run the creep Tom Dewey. All because his haberdasher dressed him nice. While the GOP insiders overlooked MacArthur. Later, as truman capitalized on his office to rid himself of the MacArthur threat that loomed in 1952, disgraced MacArthur. But ya know what I think? It's truman's reputation that fades. MacArthur's only grows.) And, Ike, no MacArthur, still made truman run home in fear of an election loss.

It seems in the "picking" department we get lots of dogs. And, a few outstanding presidents.

In Lincoln's time? He was the journalists' "chimpy." Today? The dust swept away those names. And, Lincoln's still standing tall.

When I look back and see the failures of the EDSEL, I can't imagine grown men, in authority, making those decisions that killed DETROIT. But they did.

Thank goodness we're big enough; we've got the Nifty Fifty; that a few loose parts doesn't matter much.

And, people have never been better informed.

Sure, the clowns in DC behave the in the ways they do. Spoiled brats. Par for the course.

Now, on the bus? Nothing but us folks. While the limosine liberals, driving about in cars, where they sit in the back seats, behind tinted, and shut windows; well do ya know what? They can go over the cliff just like Thelma and Louise.

Market places are full of opportunities. Hard times and bad just encourages growth. As a matter of fact.

As to the pink pigs and the faith the DC crowd has in them, let me offer a hand-signal. HA! I don't even have to describe it.

I can also do another one. Just like Karl Rove did. Thumb to my nose, and fingers waving. The good thing is those jerks, looking for action in all the wrong toilets, remain clueless.

While out here? People are having fun.

You'd be surprised, but before big races, while crowds mill about? There's a sense of electricity that goes through the air.

Most of us are just waiting. Keeping our powder dry. Or? Stocking up on ammunition.

DC, in Lincoln's time, wasn't much of a city. That doesn't come till later.

And, to the affirmative action bozos I say this: Vaudeville is dead. Osama is dead. The EDSEL never sold. And, neither will you.

If one needs polling data to notice how angry Hillary has changed her tune (for the moment) back towards supporting military action then you are hopeless.

Maybe Hil's core beliefs have reversed yet again by this afternoon but one can be certain that she tilts just as quickly toward her focus groups latest leanings as Slick did throughout his eight year vacation.

Cyclops asked

"It's rather unfortunate for your position that there is no actual polling data that supports this assertion. Can you point to any, for my edification?"

Maybe he was thinking of this recent (August 2007) CNN Poll:

"Do you think the United States can win or cannot win the war in Iraq?"

Can Win: 54% (up from 46% 6 months ago)
Cannot Win: 43%
Unsure: 3%

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

> Posted by viking01 | September 11, 2007 4:00 PM
> If one needs polling data...

If you cannot back up your assertion, you could back off a bit an say it is just your opinion.

I see moveon.org as separate from affirmative action or other internally funded set aside ventures with which the Liberals have harmed the nation and scuttled public education. Perhaps another commenter here was referring to AA as "tragic"? I certainly agree AA has doomed many unqualified to rapid failure as it denies the truly qualified a fair opportunity.

The moveon.org set seems mostly the Upper East trust-fund set whom have had about as many worries or challenges in life as Paris Hilton and about as much brains. Moveon.org got its start claiming Clinton's sexual utilization of a subordinate employee was no big deal. Probably because NOW was too busy looking the other way in trade for Bubba's Bader-Ginsburg appointment to the USSC. NOW had become Slick's political Monica so a new excuse squad funded by Soros foreign money was rolled into town.

Its time to tell MoveOn to MOVEOUT... of America.

RE: MarkT's assertion

This is an opinion forum in case you've noticed. Polls simply measure trends not proofs. Ballots are a different matter, of course. Central to the Renaissance was rejecting the polls about a geocentric solar system and universe. Some never learn.

If you need polls to determine what you stand for or don't stand for then I see Del Dolemonte may have provided an impetus for MarkT to change his un-stylish ways to accommodate the trends of the CNN poll of 08/07. Then maybe MarkT can find another poll which differs and change his views and principles yet again!

By the way, Google is trying to hide that poll I cited. If you do a Google search under "CNN Iraq Poll" or "CNN Iraq Polls", the only Google returns coming from CNN itself are all cites of polls showing we're losing.

Even on CNN's own website, a search only turns up the same source I originally cited (Polling Report).

Gee, I wonder why CNN would want to distance themselves from this particular poll result? Their friends at CBS taught them well.

JR: You know, I've heard him discuss this [accusation] even before yesterday. He finds it personally insulting and revolting that anyone would imply that he would lead soldiers in battle and watch them die on the battlefield for a cause that he purposely has manipulated and didn't believe in.

Of course Petraeus is telling the truth! He says so himself!

I have no views one way or the other, myself. It does seem to me as if the debate would be improved by a little bit of substance, however.

Cycloptichorn predicted ...

"Here's an prediction: the Democratic party doesn't distance itself from the Moveon ad,"

Agreed. Democrats have no problem with defaming an honest man for cheap political gain, and so will not distance themselves from it.

"...the right-wing huffs and puffs about it for about a week, then everyone moves on with their life."

Which does not excuse the defamation of Petraeus.

"I know, I know - another outrage from the evil socialist communist pig dog democrats and their evil supporters!"

Exactly. You are the enemy within.

"I note that there wasn't much outcry over various Republicans calling Democratic senators basically the same thing."

Democratic Senators are actively trying to bring about our defeat in Iraq. Putting politics before duty, they actually HAVE betrayed us, idiot.

Nate said of Cyclops:

"You are the enemy within."

Unfortunately, Cyclops has what we used to call a "paper trail". Just to show you where he's coming from, click below and enjoy:

http://cycloptichorn.dailykos.com/

I make no secret of my status as a Liberal Democrat; I'm not sure why you think it should be any mark of shame that I post at Dailykos. I assure you, you would not think it a substantive attack against you if I were to point towards your record here, as proof that you, a right-winger, can't be trusted. Please - grow up a little.

As for the poll you posted, you may want to exercise a little more care with regards to wording of questions. The question asked, "Do you think the United States can win or cannot win the war in Iraq?" is ambiguous; I would answer yes, we can win. If the question was, "WILL the US win the war in Iraq?" I would have to answer no; we will not win. You will perceive that there is a significant difference between the two.

I must say that the rhetoric thrown about by many here could only be described as hateful. I've never seen so many people be so quick to label Liberals as 'the enemy,' equating them with terrorists and traitors; it's not an indicator of serious conversation in the slightest.

Nate,

"Agreed. Democrats have no problem with defaming an honest man for cheap political gain, and so will not distance themselves from it."

Neither do Republicans, my friend. It's only galling when it's your icon whose ox is gored.

Moveon.org is a collection of neo-Stalinist thugs.

Isn't it better that these lefty groups come out and reveal what they really believe in? So we can stop all this nonsense about how the far left really does support the troops, how their Democratic politician backers really do care about the military, blah blah blah.

Let them be what they are. I hope they don't stop. I hope they run more ads, rent some billboards, buy some TV spots. Let's see them call some more of our military men and women names, trash their reputations and malign their characters.

They shouldn't stop with this one ad. MoveOn needs to turn up the music and really rock 'n roll. Let's get the party started.

MoveOn is still pissed off about Florida 2000.

nothing more.

MoveOn.org isn't the only liberal group that isn't satisfied with Congressional Democrats. Let's just say that Democrats are in between Iraq & a hard place.

Make sure & check out my post about Robert Byrd. He absolutely made a fool of himself.

During WW2, there wouldn't have been a second thought about it - IT IS STILL UNCONSCIOUNABLE THAT CHARGES OF TREASON ARE NOT FILED AGAINST SOROS, MOVEON, AND THE MEDIA WHO ACCEPTED THE ADS!

There is no bloody excuse for allowing this conduct while our troops are in the fields.

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels -- men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, we may never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion." --Dwight Eisenhower

Posted by chris edwards | September 11, 2007 2:42 PM

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism', they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
--Norman Thomas in 1969, former U.S. Socialist Party Presidential Candidate

Posted by viking01 | September 11, 2007 3:15 PM

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&Nancy Pelosi!

What about when McDermott and crowd went over to be human shields for Saddam, and the DIMS CELEBRATED THEM, and America didn't charge THEM with Treason when they came home, either!

What did we expect would happen from THERE??????

I note that there wasn't much outcry over various Republicans calling Democratic senators basically the same thing...

If it makes you feel any better, I heartily decry the GOP calling the DIM CONGRES CRITTERS THE SAME THING - I hate it when GOP sucks up to the Dims and flatters them mightily beyond all reason.

When people are caught red-handed being traitors to America, they should be put on trial - NOT FLATTERED by their collegues.

"Moveon.org is a collection of neo-Stalinist thugs."

Except for the fact that Stalinist thugs actually got off of their butts and did something. Which is more than can be said for these closet cases.

Moveon.org clowns (not thugs), have a hard time mounting the steps of mamma's basement, in order to accept yet another grilled cheese sandwich.

MoveOnYouStinkyLunaticYou'reBotheringMe.org is bought and paid for by anti-American, syphlitic pedophile, George Soros.

Cyclops..
Ummmm. I think it was your ox that got "Gored",in 2000.........

Cyclops said

"As for the poll you posted, you may want to exercise a little more care with regards to wording of questions. The question asked, "Do you think the United States can win or cannot win the war in Iraq?" is ambiguous; I would answer yes, we can win. If the question was, "WILL the US win the war in Iraq?" I would have to answer no; we will not win. You will perceive that there is a significant difference between the two."

Sorry, no go. I busted you, and you know it.

Since you are a potential graduate student who is hoping to gain tenure so you can suckle at public money for the rest of your life, instead of making a real contribution to society, let me explain it to you...

You challenged someone else to prove his position by citing a poll to prove his point. You alleged that there were no polls to support what he was claiming.

When I came along and saw your post, I did a quick search, and found a poll that you missed, because the pollster who did the poll buried it.

However, the poll question and the answers do exist and are real. Yet when I give you evidence, you take the standard leftist escape route, which is to move the goalposts.

Weak.

By the way, when are you going to tell us which cesspool of lower education you've decided to work at?

"Democrats pushed back that Republicans were trying to drum up a controversy by focusing on MoveOn rather than the substance of Petraeus' testimony. But, privately, the controversy over the ad highlighted the real disconnect between how the party's base views the war and how the party establishment sees it."

How is Movon different from the party establishment? Pelosi, Reid, Emanual and Dean agree with MoveOn's rhetoric.

Why is it that all the people who love to piss and whine about how bad our country is aren't real gung-ho about leaving it for another country? Actually, all the bellyaching is about them wanting to be heard, wanting attention and to get their own way, like some bratty sibling. In reality, they realize they couldn't voice their dissent about another government anywhere else without being physically threatened, attacked, imprisoned, or even killed. I wish I could afford enough one-way tickets for all of them to be shipped to France, Russia, England, Cuba, South America, or wherever--the country of their choice as long as it gets them out of my country.