Captain's Quarters -

Wow -- half of the Democratic base thinks he betrayed us. Oh well, thank goodness for the other half!

"48% of all WOMEN DISAPPROVE"???

How peculiar! None of the women I know APPROVE of the ad, so I find this a preposterously "high" number.

It must have been gathered at a convention of the Rose Law Firm in conjunction with Janet Reno and Joycelyn Elders and Nancy Pelosi, in downtown San Fransisco!

Oh, I DO realize some females approve the ad! I just severely dispute these numbers!

Send Soros back to France so he can join the other criminals in prison and identify the other major donors to Moron.org so we can send their businesses down the drain (they live in the sewer, time to flush) with the NYSlimes.

Oops! I said that backwards - I meant that 48% disapproval by women is nowhere NEAR the number of women who likely strongly disapprove, in my experience.

As soon as the quotes of FEC regulations appeared on some of the blogs, it became obvious that this "arrangement" was illegal, and I predicted that MoveOn.org should have their checkbook handy as that was the only way out.

Now we see that it had about the same effect of the public as the Senate vote to show displeasure.

The only remaining question is ... will the FEC do anything to show their displeasure with the "arrangement" ? Afterall, if not for the exposure of the "arrangement" to the sun, this bit of illegal campaign finance would have been swept under the proverbial rug.

Isn’t that sweet .. The New York Times shown the power of the press to investigate criminal activity.

Accountability is what matters here. According to the recent polling data, Americans do not support moveon and Soros. That's the good news.

The bad news; both Clinton and Obama voted in support of moveon in the recent Senate vote denouncing the moveon attack against General P. Bad news meaning, if either of these two military haters and moveon supporters were to be elected to the highest position "Commander in Chief".....

I must have faith in the American people to make the correct decision for our country. Without hope,.....

There is hope out there!! And, as for the percentage of women, I also dispute the figure only because in this day and age feminism is beginning to be shown for what it is as is MoveOn. The country appears to be waking up.

MoveOn claimed last week that they saw a huge bump in donations after the ad ran. As I recall, they got hundreds of thousands of dollars in response. Of course, to their Kool-Aid drinkers, this isn't a donation, it's an investment.

It would have been interesting to see how this poll turned out if the ad had run AFTER the General's testimony.

It has been interesting reading some of the berserk comments by the Kool-Aid Krowd in defense of MoveOn. They are not used to being held accountable for their actions - and it shows.

Moveon.org's advertising was not targeted at rational people. The Betray Us ad was intended to assuage the Lunatic Left which is becoming increasingly rabid after Pelosi and Reid abandoned their cut and run strategy in Iraq alongside the endless string of Democrat "leaders" failures to deliver the campaign goods. It also falls in line with Hillary's "Don't blame me for my votes on the war I'm just a poor little doormat misled by the military."

It's all bread and circuses where moveon.org realizes that if they can manufacture yet another make-believe villain the Clintoon dupes will fall back in line. Moveon knows that a high percentage of Dims still believe Bubba feels their pain where any critics of the shady Grifters must be a conspiracy against them. Remember that moveon.org was created specifically to promote an "It's only about sex" excuse / propaganda for Bubba while maligning Ken Starr. Fully mindful of those facts the NY Times immediately granted moveon the family discount and guaranteed publication date for the ad. This makes the NY Times editorial board and management little more than a PAC for moveon against our troops AND by extension for Bin Laden / Al Quaeda.

Let's "move on" for just a brief moment from the micro to the macro picture, shall we?

This just posted at The Corner:

Democrats Will Make Us Safer and More Prosperous [Byron York]
A new Gallup poll finds the public's unfavorable impression of the Republican party at its highest point in decades. In the survey, 59-percent of respondents say they have an unfavorable opinion of the GOP, while 38-percent have a favorable impression. For Democrats, the numbers are 53-percent favorable, 43-percent unfavorable.
When Gallup asked, "Looking ahead for the next few years, which political party do you think will do a better job of protecting the country from international terrorism and military threats?" 47-percent said Democrats, while 42-percent said Republicans and 11-percent said there was no difference. When Gallup asked, "Looking ahead for the next few years, which political party do you think will do a better job of keeping the country prosperous?" 54-percent said Democrats, while 34-percent said Republicans and 12-percent said no difference.
09/25 11:47 AM

As Rose would say, THIS IS SERIOUS!! THIS IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS!!!!

Does anybody actually believe that concentarting on the MoveOn ad, or Hillary hawking Bill's GQ cover, or "Leaky Leahy" being mean to poor McConnell... is any of that going to move these numbers toward the right?

Jeez, people. Grab a clue. The voters don't care about these fun little "gotcha games." They want to know "What's in it for ME?"

Unless the Republicans start enunciating some actual, worthwhile policy instead of 24/7 negativity, next year will be an ugly landscape for conservatives.

But... pay no attention to us Cassandras. By all means, go back to discussing how fat the Hildabeast looks in her pantsuits and whether Bill's a rapist. I'm sure that's a winning strategy.

The poll understates the public's disdain for this outfit and their ad. This is just so fine!

This sentence in the news about the poll shows what to make of the results:
"Survey respondents were asked their opinion of MoveOn.org before the New York Times ad was described."

The ad was DESCRIBED? Well, how was it described, just the headline, I guess? Or, even worse, were they just told, it's about the ad “that referred to General Petraeus as General Betray Us?”

Now, it shouldn't be forgotten that the headline of the ad was actually a question, followed by facts, so that every reader could make up his own mind. It doesn't look like Rasmussen "described" this adequately. Also, it has to be questioned, too, if asking people on the telephone, and including those who haven't really seen the publication, is a correct way to conduct this. And btw: Who paid for this? Why doesn't this report tell us about the customer? I suspect this whole poll isn't worth the virtual paper on which it's "results" are published.

filistro-don't get TOO excited about this one poll. According to Gallup's press release for this poll, and I quote:

"The recent gain in the Democratic Party's image advantage is due primarily to a sharp decline in Americans' favorable perceptions of the Republican Party more than an improvement in the public's perception of the Democrats."

and:

"In turn, public perceptions of the Republican Party appear to be strongly linked to the popularity of the most visible face of the Republican Party for Americans, President George W. Bush. In fact, for most of the past several years, the Republican Party's favorable ratings and Bush's job approval rating have been nearly identical."

Gallup conducted this poll over a weekend. Historically, weekend polls favor Democrats. John Zogby has admitted in the past that he would poll on weekends to get a pre-determined pro-Dem result.

In fact, Gallup concludes:

"In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls."

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=28780

The fact that all that "conservatives" can do at this point is latch onto non-controversies like the moveon ad illustrates how low we have sunk. We come off like a bunch of pansies: mommy he called me a bad name! boo hoo. It's way past time we put on our big girl panties and deal with reality: we put all of our eggs in W's basket and it worked in the short term, but he egged the dems with those eggs and we have no long term strategy that seperates us from a wildly unpopular president. The W brand may have set back the "conservative" movement for decades to come. How do we right the ship after it has already sunk?

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I think it's a darn good idea that Neocons focus on this NYT ad as much as possible.

You guys should cement the fact in the public's ' head that you'd rather talk about anything than the horribly mismanaged and losing war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It doesn't make you look out-of-touch-at-all. Not one bit.

I don't see any cause to rejoice. According to this poll a quarter of Americans implicitly agree that a commanding general in a theater of war should be branded a traitor--not for losing battles or disobeying orders or being bribed by the enemy or chaging his allegiance, but rather for testifying before Congress that some progress has been made in a national war. 'Bombed' would have been, say, 2-5%, as might have been expected during WWII or Korea; 23% means that a quarter of all Americans are now, for a variety of reasons, implacably hostile to their own military.

At some point that hatred may begin to be returned. That might make for a more interesting poll.

Definite consensus here, this is a inconsequential topic. Meaningless compared to the real problems. Dont buy the hype people.

Opps. Looks like another poll out. I'll be darned. If you read the Captain blog and the amount of time spent on it, you might believe that this moveon ad hurt the Dems in some way.

It hasn't. Have another drink, conservobots...it's gonna be a long 16 months for you guys.

"According to a new Gallup poll, the Democratic Party enjoys a large lead in favorability over Republicans.

Currently 53% of respondents hold favorable opinions about the Democrats, compared with only 38% who do so for Republicans. The poll found similar margins believe Democrats will handle the economy better, with 54% support for Dems and only 34% for Republicans. While the economic results are not unique from surveys past, for the first time since Gallup asked about national security in this annual poll, Democrats are viewed more favorably in their ability to handle security issues than are Republicans (47% to 42%). These results depict the increasingly precarious position of the GOP leading in to the 2008 election. "

Not that Gallup knows anything, mind you.

Where was the outrage when the Bush campaign went uber negative with proven lies on Veteran John McCain.

Where was the outrage when the Bush campaign went uber negative with proven lies on Veteran Max Cleland.

Where was the outrage when the Bush campaign went uber negative with proven lies on Veteran John Kerry.

You Reich Wingers can take your faux outrage and cram it up your keister.

Wasn't it Gallup who projected the John Kerry landslide of 2004?

Like I was saying the moveon.org ad was not targeted at rational or educated people. It was directed at the moonbat Left anxious to hear another drum beat against our troops' success. The typical Lefty sky is falling excrement. Look at the silly tripe in the 1:11PM posting. The loony Liberals are sounding more nervous than they'd like you to believe.

Any poll which has 24 percent unsure gives a rather clear indication that the phrasing of the questions was either nebulous or the sampling's attitude was indifferent. Typical of modern polls substituting for news. Where most Americans are at work or at the mall while those polled are sitting at home watching Oprah or Jerry Springer and desperately hoping for the phone to ring. Funny how any polls about Harry Reid's / Nancy Pelosi's / Congress popularity have completely disappeared. Shocked. I tell ya. Shocked.

I think that moveon is trying to outKOS KOS. Perhaps it has succeeded. But that's not necessarily a good thing, libs.

So a third of the Democratic base supports MoveOn and nearly half supports the Truthers.

Hillary's gonna have to make some interesting speeches...

RASSMUSEN is a ritewing wacko polling scam.
Everybody knows that.
Besides MOVEON asked a legitimate question--
Admiral Fallon and I think the guy in the clown suit that most people now call Gen. Betrayus---really is a lying little chicken shit- and loyal-bushy ass kisser.
So what? - get over it.

What in this ad was untrue? Specifically? Once Gen. Petraus agreed to be the mouthpiece for the administration, he became a politician in a uniform. I just sent money to moveon for this one....at least someone has some balls!

Yep. No doubt about it. There's definitely something in the Dimocrats water supply today.

RASSMUSEN is a ritewing wacko polling scam.
Everybody knows that.

PROVE IT PLEASE. HARD EVIDENCE. DROOLING OVER YOUR KEYBOARD DOES NOT MAKE IT SO

Besides MOVEON asked a legitimate question--

NOT UNLESS THEY HAD PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONTENTS OF HIS REPORT. DID THEY? YOU KNOW THAT FOR A FACT? PLEASE PROVIDE REFERENCES. OTHERWISE ITS CALLED A SMEAR.

Admiral Fallon and I think the guy in the clown suit that most people now call Gen. Betrayus---

WHO ARE THESE MOST PEOPLE? YOU AND YOUR BUDDIES? AGAIN PROVIDE REFERENCE POINTS THAT CHALLENGE THE POLLING DATA PUBLISHED ABOVE.

really is a lying little chicken shit- and loyal-bushy ass kisser.
So what? - get over it.

YOU GET OVER IT. YOU CAME OUT ON THE WRONG END OF A DIRTY SANCHEZ ON THIS. YOUR TEMPER TANTRUMS PROVE IT.

ulenite:

Gen Petraus possesses infinitely more testicular fortitude than the entirety of moveon.org.

I'd suggest you claim to the General's face that he's betrayed his nation, but we all know your ilk possesses no such courage.

viking01:

I'm guessing that wasn't sugar in their Kool-aid.

What in this ad was untrue? Specifically?

DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. YOU SHITHEADS MADE THE CLAIM. YOU PROVE THAT ITS TRUE. THE REST OF US DON'T HAVE TO DISPROVE YOUR POINT. IT IS YOU THAT HAS TO CONVINCE. JUST SAYING IT MAY PASS IN YOUR CROWD OF GOOSESTEPPING GROUPTHINK KNUCKLE DRAGGERS. BUT IT DON;T HOLD WATER OUTSIDE THE DORM ROOM.

Once Gen. Petraus agreed to be the mouthpiece for the administration, he became a politician in a uniform.

THIS STATEMENT PROVES HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW. ALSO PROVES THAT YOU HAVE NEVER HAD A JOB IN YOUR LIFE. QUIT DIGGING YOURSELF DEEPER AND GET BACK TO PLAYING VIDEO GAMES AND JACKING OFF ON THE INTERTUBES. THE PRESIDENT IS THE CIC. THE GENERALS DON'T INTERVIEW THEIR BOSSES AND DECIDE IF THEY WILL WORK FOR THEM OR NOT.

I just sent money to moveon for this one....at least someone has some balls!

YES WE ALL AGREE HERE THAT YOU HAVE NO BALLS. UNFORTUNATLEY FOR YOU, NEITHER CAN YOU RECOGNIZE A PAIR COS MOVEON GOT NO BALLS EITHER. NICE TRY SHIRLEY.

Where was the outrage when the ACHMEDINIJHAD went uber negative with proven lies on non-existence of gays in Iran?

Where was the outrage when ACHMEDINIJHAD went uber negative with proven lies on the general happiness of bhurkha clad/third class citizen/executed for inciting rape - women in Iran?

Where was the outrage when the ACHMEDINIJHAD went uber negative with proven lies on the existence of the holocaust?

You moonbatty/totalitarian scum loving low lifes can take your faux liberalism and cram it up your collective keisters.

AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, MOST PEOPLE AGREE WITH THE AD. WHAT POLL ARE YOU QUOTING FROM ANYWAY?
WE READ THE NUMBERS FROM THE GOA REPORT, WE HEAR THE REPORTS FROM IRAQ, WE SEE THE BOMBS. NO WAY DO WE SEE AN IMPROVEMENT. SO WE THINK BETRAYUS DID JUST THAT FOR HIS FRIEND BUSH.
TAKE A NEW POLL. WE ARE LIED TO TOO OFTEN TO BELIEVE MUCH ANYMORE.

Leftwing please don't shout on the forum. It appears that you're a newbie. This isn't DailyKos or Dem Underground. We're actually civil for the most part. I just wonder about your complete name, and whether your use of expletives is appropriate under Board rules. I leave that to higher authority. However, you have the right to be angry as the libtards have shown again why they are not to be trusted with power. The polls that have dems winning are merely froth that will blow away once the dhimmi candidate is chosen in March, and the public wearies of her by November.
She will have peaked to soon.

i approve of the ad. the general is a liar and administration suck up. get real

yea...it sucked so much that they raised more than $1.3 million in 72 hours... a record! it's ok for the GOP to smear decorated war heroes (kerry, cleland, mc cain) but when a citizens org takes an ad out questioning the testimony of a known ass kisser...well, folks welcome the hypocrisy central..the GOP!

moveon.org is a citizens organization...not run by soros or any other 1 member....they actually have their members vote on what issues to tackle...imagine...demcracy in action!

patreaus gave false info to congress as is proved by today pentagon release on casualty numbers...he is nothing but a puppet for bushie & co.

if this war is so important...why isn't there a draft to get 'er done right? because the GOP is playing politics...that's all they know how to do...corrupt, lying, immoral republicans...

all while our brave sons and daughters fight this illegal and immoral war for oil....

only 14 more months of this incompetant admin....woo hoo...

Hmmm... Do I see MoveOn sock puppets here?

You know, when MoveOn used the "Betrayus" nickname I thought it was juvenile, plus anyone who doesn't read the blogs wouldn't get it. It was bestowed on him by his own soldiers when he was a colonel, by the way.

Now I think it worked. The media and the right (too often one and the same) can't let it go. Every time they mention the ad, they have to repeat the fact that General Petraeus offered up false testimony to Congress.

Wow I just found this blog and it's chock full O Neo Con chickenhawk wanna be couch warriors!

How many of you would take a bullet for the preznit or the preznit's ass kisser?

Yah, thought so.

Tough talk by a bunch of whining holier than though wimps.

Hey, you all could change your last name to Bush and become cheerleaders like your wimpy douchbag "leader" , oh , wait, you're already cheerleading.

Kevin, take your spare hand off of your crotch and go enlist like a real he man would.

Please let these lefties express their opinions in the MSM. The public has this vestigial affection for the democrat party. The democrat party used to be a patriotic party,

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. This much we pledge—and more."

JFK must be rolling over in his grave.

LOL! The red squirrels have come out of their trees again, looking for nuts. One of them asked:

"Wasn't it Gallup who projected the John Kerry landslide of 2004?"

NO. That was ZOGBY. You know him, he's admitted to polling for certain political causes, and also has admitted doing polls on certain days of the week in order to arrive at a pre-determined result favoring the non-Republicans.

Oh, by the way, your keeper will be by to change your battery fluid shortly.

Wow, Ed. You need to be careful with your flypaper and not just hang it anywhere, though it seems to have worked wonders this evening. Did Soros hire some new staff for his rapid response teams?

The "Betray Us" gambit seems to have backfired pretty soundly. Not soundly enough for my liking, but enough to induce some agitprop which makes for fine theater. Smells a bit like <strike>teen spirit</strike> panic.

Perhaps highbrow Del should read more than the first sentence of each person's post before commenting? Sometimes sarcasm about Lefty polls in general can elude those more interested in simply throwing mud. Any poll (Gallup, Zogby, Pew, Quinnipiac, CNN) can be skewed way leftward and often are simply by doing the poll on a weekend or during daytime soap opera hours.

It should also be noted that the ones repeatedly calling others nuts tend to be the ones sent to the Enchanted Forest for reorientation...

Squirrel? Okay, if you say so. Always better to be rodent than an obvious ass.

General Petraeus for President '12 Scholar, warrior, honest man attacked by lilliputians.

Agreement with red.

Like Washington, Lincoln, McKinley, TR and Eisenhower those whom have honorably worn the uniform and observed & paid the costs of freedom are best suited for Commander in Chief responsibilities. General Petraeus seems well equipped should he someday seek that office.

Propaganda blogs join ass-kissing little chickenshit Petraeus in con job on the American People. There is no way this ad backfired. MoveOn stands behind it, and the country is finished with you ass-kissing little chickenshits. Your time is over. Get your tounges out of Bush's asshole & wake up. The war is over. Go get a real job.

What a pathetic collection of moonbat pundit wannabees!

America is over you. You are no longer "in". It's not "cool" barking at everyone in vulger, childish diatribes. HINT: If you can't finish a sentence without using a vulgarity, don't begin it.

Democrats no longer think you make "cute indoor pets" after the way you've pissed all over yourselves. With this moveon ad campaign abortion, you've earned your "ugly outside stray" status. Can't you "feel the love" from the people YOU put in Congress? That's cuz it's NOT THERE!

When Hillary finally gets around to condeming your actions, you know the gig is finally over. Pack up your circus tents freaks! Finish something in your miserable empty lives and move on! Shoo!